[Claymores]

By oppression? like Maggie?

We have consistently voted socialist - even voted Scottish Labour to try keep the Tories out. Scotland has one Conservative MP who we'd gladly gift away to Engerland. Tories came 4th in the popular vote, Scotland has minority sociialist parliament.

It all seems untenable as we have nothing to do with England thought-wise about what we want

[Harry!]

Not quite sad as you make it out to be, because Lib Den have some power in government now if there is any Lib Den's in Scotland they can report back to the government and make change that way.

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by Harry!

Not quite sad as you make it out to be, because Lib Den have some power in government now if there is any Lib Den's in Scotland they can report back to the government and make change that way.

Yer soooo naiive wee pal

[Shaun]

Indeed, the cabinet minister for Scotland is a Lib Dem.

[Crimson Dynamo]

they wont, labour did not either

Alex rules up here

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

they wont, labour did not either

Alex rules up here

Exactly - a minoriry socialist SNP government works becaise Scottish Labour (socialists ) work with them

[Claymores]

I believe it is undemocratic to have Tory rule over a socialist country

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Claymores

I believe it is undemocratic to have Tory rule over a socialist country

Well clearly the Scots didn't consider the General Election undemocratic when they were casting their votes, only now when they realise they voted for a bunch of opposition MPs. That's what democracy is, the rule of the majority. We English weren't too thrilled about having an unelected Scottish PM foisted upon us, whose strings were being pulled by the unelected Mandelson and Campbell.

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by angus58

Well clearly the Scots didn't consider the General Election undemocratic when they were casting their votes, only now when they realise they voted for a bunch of opposition MPs. That's what democracy is, the rule of the majority. We English weren't too thrilled about having an unelected Scottish PM foisted upon us, whose strings were being pulled by the unelected Mandelson and Campbell.

In Scotland, the Scottish Labour party mantra was "vote Labour to keep the Tories out" - it almost worked

Set us free and go happily to right wing land

ENGERLAND ENGERLAND UBER ALLES

[Angus]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

they wont, labour did not either

Alex rules up here

And yet the Scots didn't vote for him, but for English Labour. Now they've shafted themselves because virtually all their MPs are now on the opposition benches If you want your independence from England then start voting SNP and stop whinging. Believe me, we English want Scottish independence as much as the Scots do!

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by angus58

And yet the Scots didn't vote for him, but for English Labour

Nope Scottish voted socialist for Scottish Labour which has always been a different beastie from "New Labour" and Tone.

I believe the vote was to keep Herr David Cameron out and we almost managed it.

Scotland has nothing in common anymore - we are essentially a left of centre country and England a right wing government - set us free!

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Claymores

Nope Scottish voted socialist for Scottish Labour which has always been a different beastie from "New Labour" and Tone.

I believe the vote was to keep Herr David Cameron out and we almost managed it.

Scotland has nothing in common anymore - we are essentially a left of centre country and England a right wing government - set us free!

Yet Scottish Labour have no interest in independence it seems, they just want your Scottish votes to keep their seats in Westminster - so more fool the Scots for persistently voting for them instead of the SNP.

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by angus58

Yet Scottish Labour have no interest in independence it seems, they just want your Scottish votes to keep their seats in Westminster - so more fool the Scots for persistently voting for them instead of the SNP.

What I can agree on angus - Scottish Labour is tied to New Labour (english Labour) as english Labour knows that without Scotland, England has a clear Tory mandate. This is the reason I vote SNP (socialists who realise England is a right-wing country) rather than because I'm a raging Braveheart.

Look at the numbers, no need to fall in bed again with your ex-public school days fag David. We're clearly socialist - youz clearly Tory.

[Shaun]

Oh hush. Labour are about as socialist as Steve Jobs.

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Oh hush. Labour are about as socialist as Steve Jobs.

Which is why Fife bacame a n SNP controlled Council (BIG OVERTURN) and we have socialists in power in Scottish parliament - thanks for adding to my issues of Tories

[Shasown]

1 in 5 voters voting for the SNP and Scottish Independence isnt a mandate for a free Scotland.

Get a grip and realise your lords and masters sold you out years ago, then as if to make sure you realised this they had a wee party in the Highlands.

So we sent one Englishman up to sort you all out and he did at Culloden. Duke of Cumberland was the only Englishman who RSVP'ed the invite.

Thats why you lot belong to us. In fact anywhere around the world people look upon you as little more than a county of England. Now shut up, wear your wee dress if you want but just accept the natural order of life!

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by Shasown

1 in 5 voters voting for the SNP and Scottish Independence isnt a mandate for a free Scotland.

The other 3 voted Scottish Labour to keep Davie out of No.10 is the problem I'm suggesting.

One Tory MP in a socialist country is untenable

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Claymores

The other 3 voted Scottish Labour to keep Davie out of No.10 is the problem I'm suggesting.

One MP in a socialist country is untenable

You know what they call that

Tango Sierra.

You are in a democracy, you abide by the rules, you dont decide which ones to accept when you dont like the results.

Just accept it, its only for a maximum of 5 years.



PMSL

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by Shasown

. Now shut up, wear your wee dress if you want but just accept the natural order of life!

Yes - I'll become Harry Enfield's Tory Boy under your orders

[BB_Eye]

I really hope the Scots get their independence, but not until the UK has done with the FPTP system... otherwise we'll have a Tory government... forever.

[arista]

David And Alex are getting on Well.
David ,unlike that UnElected New Labour PM,
went up to see Alex right away.

The Conservative-LibDem Party
are a Revolution.

[James]

Originally Posted by Claymores

By oppression? like Maggie?

We have consistently voted socialist - even voted Scottish Labour to try keep the Tories out. Scotland has one Conservative MP who we'd gladly gift away to Engerland. Tories came 4th in the popular vote, Scotland has minority sociialist parliament.

It all seems untenable as we have nothing to do with England thought-wise about what we want

It's a UK parliament though and different parts of the country vote for different parties. London has a majority of Labour MPs but is still subject to Conservative (and Lib Dem) rule.

Maybe a more interesting question is why Scottish MPs can vote on legislation that only affects England, and has no impact on Scotland because of devolution.

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by James

It's a UK parliament though and different parts of the country vote for different parties. London has a majority of Labour MPs but is still subject to Conservative (and Lib Dem) rule.

Maybe a more interesting question is why Scottish MPs can vote on legislation that only affects England, and has no impact on Scotland because of devolution.

That's called the Linlithgow question first raised by Tam Dayell (unionist labour MP where now we have an SNP Council).

I'd quite happily solve the Linlithgow question - let us separate. Labour's big play in Scotland was "Vote Labour to keep Tory rule out". 4 of 5 in Scotland still voted socialist of one party or another - England voted Tory. Seems incongrueous to have you rule us.

Unlike parts of London vs say Essex, we have a distict national identity (1st question they ask you in Politics I is what is the difference between a nation and a state). Ask yer London pals if they feel English. Ask Scots if they feel dienfanchised with Pinky & Perky @ No.10

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Claymores

That's called the Linlithgow question first raised by Tam Dayell (unionist labour MP where now we have an SNP Council).

I'd quite happily solve the Linlithgow question - let us separate. Labour's big play in Scotland was "Vote Labour to keep Tory rule out". 4 of 5 in Scotland still voted socialist of one party or another - England voted Tory. Seems incongrueous to have you rule us.

Unlike parts of London vs say Essex, we have a distict national identity (1st question they ask you in Politics I is what is the difference between a nation and a state). Ask yer London pals if they feel English. Ask Scots if they feel dienfanchised with Pinky & Perky @ No.10

No mate thats called democracy.

Speaking of which simply coz you and some other Scots dont want to be part of the United Kingdom but think you would be better off on your own, why should that be applied to all Scots, if the whole of Scotland was so anti Britain wouldnt we have majority SNP rule in the Scottish Parliament and also more SNP MPs sitting in Westminster.

[arista]

"England voted Tory. "

Yes and ended up with Conservative -LibDem Party.

In Scotland the Lib Dem Rule
there PM is David.


Deal with it.