[Claymores]

By oppression? like Maggie?

We have consistently voted socialist - even voted Scottish Labour to try keep the Tories out. Scotland has one Conservative MP who we'd gladly gift away to Engerland. Tories came 4th in the popular vote, Scotland has minority sociialist parliament.

It all seems untenable as we have nothing to do with England thought-wise about what we want

[Harry!]

Not quite sad as you make it out to be, because Lib Den have some power in government now if there is any Lib Den's in Scotland they can report back to the government and make change that way.

[Shaun]

Indeed, the cabinet minister for Scotland is a Lib Dem.

[Crimson Dynamo]

they wont, labour did not either

Alex rules up here

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by Harry!

Not quite sad as you make it out to be, because Lib Den have some power in government now if there is any Lib Den's in Scotland they can report back to the government and make change that way.

Yer soooo naiive wee pal

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

they wont, labour did not either

Alex rules up here

Exactly - a minoriry socialist SNP government works becaise Scottish Labour (socialists ) work with them

[Angus]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

they wont, labour did not either

Alex rules up here

And yet the Scots didn't vote for him, but for English Labour. Now they've shafted themselves because virtually all their MPs are now on the opposition benches If you want your independence from England then start voting SNP and stop whinging. Believe me, we English want Scottish independence as much as the Scots do!

[Claymores]

I believe it is undemocratic to have Tory rule over a socialist country

[Shaun]

Oh hush. Labour are about as socialist as Steve Jobs.

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by angus58

And yet the Scots didn't vote for him, but for English Labour

Nope Scottish voted socialist for Scottish Labour which has always been a different beastie from "New Labour" and Tone.

I believe the vote was to keep Herr David Cameron out and we almost managed it.

Scotland has nothing in common anymore - we are essentially a left of centre country and England a right wing government - set us free!

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Oh hush. Labour are about as socialist as Steve Jobs.

Which is why Fife bacame a n SNP controlled Council (BIG OVERTURN) and we have socialists in power in Scottish parliament - thanks for adding to my issues of Tories

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Claymores

I believe it is undemocratic to have Tory rule over a socialist country

Well clearly the Scots didn't consider the General Election undemocratic when they were casting their votes, only now when they realise they voted for a bunch of opposition MPs. That's what democracy is, the rule of the majority. We English weren't too thrilled about having an unelected Scottish PM foisted upon us, whose strings were being pulled by the unelected Mandelson and Campbell.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Claymores

Nope Scottish voted socialist for Scottish Labour which has always been a different beastie from "New Labour" and Tone.

I believe the vote was to keep Herr David Cameron out and we almost managed it.

Scotland has nothing in common anymore - we are essentially a left of centre country and England a right wing government - set us free!

Yet Scottish Labour have no interest in independence it seems, they just want your Scottish votes to keep their seats in Westminster - so more fool the Scots for persistently voting for them instead of the SNP.

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by angus58

Yet Scottish Labour have no interest in independence it seems, they just want your Scottish votes to keep their seats in Westminster - so more fool the Scots for persistently voting for them instead of the SNP.

What I can agree on angus - Scottish Labour is tied to New Labour (english Labour) as english Labour knows that without Scotland, England has a clear Tory mandate. This is the reason I vote SNP (socialists who realise England is a right-wing country) rather than because I'm a raging Braveheart.

Look at the numbers, no need to fall in bed again with your ex-public school days fag David. We're clearly socialist - youz clearly Tory.

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by angus58

Well clearly the Scots didn't consider the General Election undemocratic when they were casting their votes, only now when they realise they voted for a bunch of opposition MPs. That's what democracy is, the rule of the majority. We English weren't too thrilled about having an unelected Scottish PM foisted upon us, whose strings were being pulled by the unelected Mandelson and Campbell.

In Scotland, the Scottish Labour party mantra was "vote Labour to keep the Tories out" - it almost worked

Set us free and go happily to right wing land

ENGERLAND ENGERLAND UBER ALLES

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Claymores

What I can agree on angus - Scottish Labour is tied to New Labour (english Labour) as english Labour knows that without Scotland, England has a clear Tory mandate. This is the reason I vote SNP (socialists who realise England is a right-wing country) rather than because I'm a raging Braveheart.

Look at the numbers, no need to fall in bed again with your ex-public school days fag David. We're clearly socialist - youz clearly Tory.

I totally respect your wish for independence, but from where I'm standing it just doesn't appear that the majority of Scots share your vision. I'm perfectly aware that it's a matter of economic expedience rather than any love of the English that keep the Scots from breaking free. So until Scotland is prepared to stand on its own two feet with no further subsidies from the English taxpayer, I can't see Scottish independence any time soon.

[Shasown]

1 in 5 voters voting for the SNP and Scottish Independence isnt a mandate for a free Scotland.

Get a grip and realise your lords and masters sold you out years ago, then as if to make sure you realised this they had a wee party in the Highlands.

So we sent one Englishman up to sort you all out and he did at Culloden. Duke of Cumberland was the only Englishman who RSVP'ed the invite.

Thats why you lot belong to us. In fact anywhere around the world people look upon you as little more than a county of England. Now shut up, wear your wee dress if you want but just accept the natural order of life!

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by angus58

I totally respect your wish for independence, but from where I'm standing it just doesn't appear that the majority of Scots share your vision. I'm perfectly aware that it's a matter of economic expedience rather than any love of the English that keep the Scots from breaking free. So until Scotland is prepared to stand on its own two feet with no further subsidies from the English taxpayer, I can't see Scottish independence any time soon.

LOL - we're a poor socialist country I know - we accept that. If I was a raging Braveheart I'd ask for the effing billions back from Scottish waters that kept Maggie afloat.

The waters that have made Norway a nice rich place. But we were tied together at the time so London/SE was able to take advantage and fair enough - youz won in 1746, take the profits in 1970s

We can stand on 2 as a poor, underpriveleged nation angus.

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by Shasown

1 in 5 voters voting for the SNP and Scottish Independence isnt a mandate for a free Scotland.

The other 3 voted Scottish Labour to keep Davie out of No.10 is the problem I'm suggesting.

One Tory MP in a socialist country is untenable

[BB_Eye]

I really hope the Scots get their independence, but not until the UK has done with the FPTP system... otherwise we'll have a Tory government... forever.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Claymores

The other 3 voted Scottish Labour to keep Davie out of No.10 is the problem I'm suggesting.

One MP in a socialist country is untenable

You know what they call that

Tango Sierra.

You are in a democracy, you abide by the rules, you dont decide which ones to accept when you dont like the results.

Just accept it, its only for a maximum of 5 years.



PMSL

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by Shasown

. Now shut up, wear your wee dress if you want but just accept the natural order of life!

Yes - I'll become Harry Enfield's Tory Boy under your orders

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Claymores

LOL - we're a poor socialist country I know - we accept that. If I was a raging Braveheart I'd ask for the effing billions back from Scottish waters that kept Maggie afloat.

The waters that have made Norway a nice rich place. But we were tied together at the time so London/SE was able to take advantage and fair enough - youz won in 1746, take the profits in 1970s

We can stand on 2 as a poor, underpriveleged nation angus.

The billions from Scottish waters, dream on more money was pumped back into Scotland than came from the oil industry.

Incidentally shouldnt that be Shetland waters as most UK companies pump out of the Shetland Basin, so shouldnt all you Scottish let the Shetlanders have their money?

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by Shasown

The billions from Scottish waters, dream on more money was pumped back into Scotland than came from the oil industry.

Incidentally shouldnt that be Shetland waters as most UK companies pump out of the Shetland Basin, so shouldnt all you Scottish let the Shetlanders have their money?

Shetland is part of Scotland - I fail to see the pont - as you know, I've never argued "it was Scotland's oil" as we were tied as UK by Parliament contracts. Only reason I mentioned it was angus suggesting we're soehow parasitic hawkers on their Tory England.

Let us be free poor buggers then - better than David.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Claymores

Shetland is part of Scotland - I fail to see the pont - as you know, I've never argued "it was Scotland's oil" as we were tied as UK by Parliament contracts. Only reason I mentioned it was angus suggesting we're soehow parasitic hawkers on their Tory England.

Let us be free poor buggers then - better than David.

Shetlanders have in the past asked for independence from Scotland, and its possible they will again if Scotland ever gets Independence from the UK.

Mind we like Scotland, its great for deer stalking and peasant (sic) shooting