[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

i dont get why people dont agree with gay marriage if they dont have a problem with gay people

[bansheewails]

Its the whole I don't mind gay people but....... thing. Usually with people like Dave it means they think your going to hell.

[chuff me dizzy]

Dave like the rest of us has a right to his opinion

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Dave like the rest of us has a right to his opinion

homophobe

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by simonsays

homophobe

No way !! far from it ,I have a gay nephew and LOTS of gay mates ,but just because I see no wrong doesnt mean everyone thinks the same ,everyone has a right to thieir own opinion

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by simonsays

homophobe

YOU jumped on someone earlier for shouting RACIST ,but its ok for YOU to shout homophobe?

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

YOU jumped on someone earlier for shouting RACIST ,but its ok for YOU to shout homophobe?

when was that?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by simonsays

when was that?

on another thread earlier tonight

[bansheewails]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Dave like the rest of us has a right to his opinion

Of course he does. Sadly I don't think he has the right to judge people on their morals though.

[Speedster]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Dave like the rest of us has a right to his opinion

Good point. A I agree whole hartedly, but it's the one thing about the show that had always driven Me insane; people on the show express an opinion and the public crucifies them for it, them someone else says the same thing, more or less and they get away with it.

The question for Me has always been who's right and who's wrong, and who says which is which, I think the show is rife with double standards.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Speedster

Good point. A I agree whole hartedly, but it's the one thing about the show that had always driven Me insane; people on the show express an opinion and the public crucifies them for it, them someone else says the same thing, more or less and they get away with it.

The question for Me has always been who's right and who's wrong, and who says which is which, I think the show is rife with double standards.

No one whatsoever has the right to tell Dave he is wrong in what he believes ,it is so arrogant to think your opinion is more valid than the next persons

[Speedster]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

No one whatsoever has the right to tell Dave he is wrong in what he believes ,it is so arrogant to think your opinion is more valid than the next persons

THAT was My point exactly, but just take time to read the comments on here and the C4 BB site and see how judgemental people are about people they don't know and have never and will never meet.

Yes, we all have a right to our opinions, but the arrogance that goes with express those opinions leaves Me cold.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Speedster

THAT was My point exactly, but just take time to read the comments on here and the C4 BB site and see how judgemental people are about people they don't know and have never and will never meet.

Yes, we all have a right to our opinions, but the arrogance that goes with express those opinions leaves Me cold.

I have read them i can sum it up in one word ..... pathetic

[InOne]

He's Christian, what do you expect?

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by InOne

He's Christian, what do you expect?

I'm Catholic and I don't have a problem with it!

[Bigbrofan25]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

I'm Catholic and I don't have a problem with it!

Same here I am a liberal catholic and I m very pro gay I wish they would stop saying we`re all the same

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Bigbrofan25

Same here I am a liberal catholic and I m very pro gay I wish they would stop saying we`re all the same

I agree.

[arista]

Originally Posted by InOne

He's Christian, what do you expect?

He is infact a Freak God Nutter.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by arista

He is infact a Freak God Nutter.

agreed

and a big fake phoney

[ElProximo]

Speaking of hypocrisy (not exactly but hear me out..)

It is no coincidence that homosexuality and equality for homosexuality, tolerance for homosexuality is happening where?
What countries?
Christian countries.
And not that they are all Christian but western christian nations founded on christian principles.
Its not a fluke coincidence. It is actually BECAUSE of Christianity.
In fact, that so many here are evangelical about 'equality' is BECAUSE they were raised in a culture premised in Christianity.

People take this for granted. You see here where people just presume we should all agree that 'equality' is a RIGHT.
That it IS RIGHT.
That is it universally and objectively correct and morally right that people be treated equal.
Says who?
In many a culture throughout history and today and in a large part of the world that is NOT A GIVEN PREMISE.
That is some 'Christian value' or belief and they would tell you there is NOTHING saying all people are equal or should be.
Just because your Christian based society has that philosophy based on its bible!

This is why 'gay rights' and 'gay marriages' and the ability to make gay media, gay parades etc,
this happens in the most Christian nations.
and,
NOT because it conforms to Christianity but because Christians believe that 'God loves all people' and that people ought to have a 'right' to do what they will (even wrong things) and can't be less for it.

So the next time you are assuming 'equality and justice' are 'rights' you can thank your Christian heritage.
Next time you want gays treated fairly you can thank the New Testament for that belief.

[Niall]

Originally Posted by simonsays

i dont get why people dont agree with gay marriage if they dont have a problem with gay people

Same I mean you can't really say you accept gay people but then not let them have equal rights with straight people. It contradicts what he said.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Me!

Same I mean you can't really say you accept gay people but then not let them have equal rights with straight people. It contradicts what he said.

He said HE would not conduct a marriage ceremony between a gay couple as this would compromise his Christian beliefs and he is entitled to that stance. It has nothing to do with homophobia. I loathe any type of discrimination where it is unmerited, but in the case of religion which is a personal choice I do not see why someone should have to compromise their faith to accommodate the often secular opinions of others. There are plenty of other Christian demoninations who feel the same way, and would not entertain a gay marriage. Nobody has said gay people cannot get married if they so wish. A lot of ministers will not marry straight people who are not regular churchgoers, and quite right too. The church isn't there as a backdrop to your wedding pics, it should mean something, otherwise go do the deed in a registry office (as I did as I'm not a hypocrite).

If a gay couple want a religious ceremony one would have to ask WHY? when it so clearly states in the bible that homosexuality is not condoned. If you have decided to follow a religion you cannot just cherry pick the bits you agree with and ignore the bits don't.

I

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by angus58

He said HE would not conduct a marriage ceremony between a gay couple as this would compromise his Christian beliefs and he is entitled to that stance. It has nothing to do with homophobia. I loathe any type of discrimination where it is unmerited, but in the case of religion which is a personal choice I do not see why someone should have to compromise their faith to accommodate the often secular opinions of others. There are plenty of other Christian demoninations who feel the same way, and would not entertain a gay marriage. Nobody has said gay people cannot get married if they so wish. A lot of ministers will not marry straight people who are not regular churchgoers, and quite right too. The church isn't there as a backdrop to your wedding pics, it should mean something, otherwise go do the deed in a registry office (as I did as I'm not a hypocrite).

If a gay couple want a religious ceremony one would have to ask WHY? when it so clearly states in the bible that homosexuality is not condoned. If you have decided to follow a religion you cannot just cherry pick the bits you agree with and ignore the bits don't.
I

This is a very good point...

[_Seth]

Originally Posted by 30stone

This.


As for philip. a ****ing idiot for not agreeing with gay marrige thats harsh isnt it?

Originally Posted by Fish_Fingers

Ok, so you support the whole "agree-with-me-or-you're-scum" argument?

I already said - if I wanted to get married to a dude and it was up to him, he'd deny us marriage. I don't think it's harsh in the least to think of him as scum for that.

[Fish_Fingers]

Originally Posted by Phlip

I already said - if I wanted to get married to a dude and it was up to him, he'd deny us marriage. I don't think it's harsh in the least to think of him as scum for that.

You said "To me, anyone who doesn't support gay marriage is a ****ing idiot."

That's a MASSIVE generalisation. And you're showing that you don't have the capability to listen to reason, and that you have no respect for other people's opinions.