[vesavius]

Or even his apology in the DR for his behaviour? Didnt fit their agenda of him as 'nice guy war hero' I guess.


BB really thinks the people watching their show are morons.

[pixee]

I don't like his attitude, in a diverse age group if you are older you will feel the others have immaturity no need to be so superior.

I thought Nathan came across badly as did Ife who has now been found at least.

As for Steve I'm quite disappointed if there was more that wasn't shown because we have seen so very little. We can debate Ben back and forth but we see enough to form an opinion, but we see so little of Steve and what I saw tonight I didn't like.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by pixee

I don't like his attitude, in a diverse age group if you are older you will feel the others have immaturity no need to be so superior.

I thought Nathan came across badly as did Ife who has now been found at least.

As for Steve I'm quite disappointed if there was more that wasn't shown because we have seen so very little. We can debate Ben back and forth but we see enough to form an opinion, but we see so little of Steve and what I saw tonight I didn't like.

You actually didnt see 99% of what he said in that argument. Corin's full rage was cut down, they only showed what the absolutely needed to to set the scene, but his was just ignored entirely.

There was a very good reason he thought he needed to apologise for what he had said.

The thing is you can't complain about Steve not being shown as his worst and then defend the whitewash edit in favour of Ben.

[pixee]

Originally Posted by vesavius

You actually didnt see 99% of what he said in that argument. Corin's full rage was cut down, they only showed what the absolutely needed to to set the scene, but his was just ignored entirely.

There was a very good reason he thought he needed to apologise for what he had said.

The thing is you can't complain about Steve not being shown as his worst and then defend the whitewash edit in favour of Ben.

No i agree. My only point on that would be we have been shown both bad and good of Ben already.

They literally can't show everything every housemate does good or bad but we have seen nothing of Steve so far so i think this is above that of not showing Ben in a bad light because we have already seen that, even though i'm a fan i wouldn't argue with anyone who dislikes him cause he has done enough to form an opinion either way.

P.S. I'm hearing elsewhere he swore and went mad apparently lol?

[fingers]

Originally Posted by pixee

I don't like his attitude, in a diverse age group if you are older you will feel the others have immaturity no need to be so superior.

I thought Nathan came across badly as did Ife who has now been found at least.

As for Steve I'm quite disappointed if there was more that wasn't shown because we have seen so very little. We can debate Ben back and forth but we see enough to form an opinion, but we see so little of Steve and what I saw tonight I didn't like.

You actually saw nothing, he went absolutely MENTAL and his language would have scandalized many a Sergeant Major!

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by fingers

You actually saw nothing, he went absolutely MENTAL and his language would have scandalized many a Sergeant Major!

Lets not even talk about Corin the screaming harridan in full flow right?

They showed the bare minimum of her, just enough to justify the argument.

Pathetic tbh, they think we are morons and treat us accordingly.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by fingers

You actually saw nothing, he went absolutely MENTAL and his language would have scandalized many a Sergeant Major!

Yeah he did throw a wobbly, but I dont think it would have scandalised a sergeant major(incidentally it is great to see someone spelling sergeant correctly ).

Not only does it give Steve a good edit, but it also reduces the effect of Corins rant and also Nathans given that they both used Steve as the excuse for their rants.

But the biggest manipulation was so blatant yet at the same time so subtle next to no one picked up on it. The task that led to the party was a wheelchair basketball task, one of Steves sports where housemates were used to show what difficulties Steve has had to overcome to use a wheelchair as he does.

Naturally housemates were making comments about how hard Steve has had it in having to use a wheelchair and how hard basketball becomes if you are stuck in a wheelchair etc. Even if it doesnt register on a conscious level, it still slips in to the subconscious how awesome big Steve is.

Shouldnt wonder there will be a dry yachting task just before the final to further manipulate the voting public.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by pixee

I don't like his attitude, in a diverse age group if you are older you will feel the others have immaturity no need to be so superior.

I thought Nathan came across badly as did Ife who has now been found at least.

As for Steve I'm quite disappointed if there was more that wasn't shown because we have seen so very little. We can debate Ben back and forth but we see enough to form an opinion, but we see so little of Steve and what I saw tonight I didn't like.

So Steve is expected to be some quiet, humble, invisible man - not allowed a voice - not supposed to get angry and throw a wobbly like everyone else in there! What the hell has age got to do with it!

[bansheewails]

As I said in an earlier post, Steve is a bit like going on an 18-30's holiday with your dad.

[Frank E]

Originally Posted by bansheewails

As I said in an earlier post, Steve is a bit like going on an 18-30's holiday with your dad.

Haha, yeah glad to have him around.

[toothpick]

steve shouldnt be there...deep down he knows the big war hero act will only spread so thin....

[erichardse10]

Originally Posted by toothpick

steve shouldnt be there...deep down he knows the big war hero act will only spread so thin....

He's never put on an act? or made a point of being a war hero?

Infact he's never claimed to be one?

[stonedape]

They can't just go 0 to 60 with every under the radar character this season, and I don't really think showing him getting angry would change opinions on him being a nice/heroic guy. If anything, editors have been blackballing Steve by not showing a peep from him, good or bad, because they know he's going to finals anyway.

[fingers]

He absolutely lost his studied cool image in the LF Ranting and cussing like a 12 year old. He realised that he had blown his cover when he started telling all and sundry that he was going to the DR to apologise to BB.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by fingers

He absolutely lost his studied cool image in the LF Ranting and cussing like a 12 year old. He realised that he had blown his cover when he started telling all and sundry that he was going to the DR to apologise to BB.

Exactly.

The fact that he was shown only in a positive role coaching a team in his RL hobby (for which he was given a free pass to the party) and then had this ignored shows BBs agenda for him very clearly.

[discotheque]

Where was Nathan pacing round doing his salt of the earth scally impression and generally acting like a threatening moron ?

[pixee]

Originally Posted by discotheque

Where was Nathan pacing round doing his salt of the earth scally impression and generally acting like a threatening moron ?

We only got a mere hint of that but i've seen enough of Nathan to make my mind up about him already.

[toothpick]

So the whole friendly british soldier image he portrays is bollocks?

[chuff me dizzy]

On the cutting room floor ,hes Steve, just like Bennett ,kid gloves and cotton wool

[stonedape]

Showing Steve cursing and acting like a 12 year old @ the bedroom crew, that's ultimately going to result in more hatred for the bedroom crew, not Steve. He's a tattooed ex-soldier in the father role: people are expecting it. Just like your Ben's whitewash argument, I think half of those could be argued the other way. Would you want Steve edited as your enemy? End of the day, it's an hour show, many subtleties or whole plot points have to be cut, the ones you notice are the ones you're looking for.

[pixee]

Originally Posted by stonedape

Showing Steve cursing and acting like a 12 year old @ the bedroom crew, that's ultimately going to result in more hatred for the bedroom crew, not Steve. He's a tattooed ex-soldier in the father role: people are expecting it. Just like your Ben's whitewash argument, I think half of those could be argued the other way. Would you want Steve edited as your enemy? End of the day, it's an hour show, many subtleties or whole plot points have to be cut, the ones you notice are the ones you're looking for.

Agree.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by stonedape

Showing Steve cursing and acting like a 12 year old @ the bedroom crew, that's ultimately going to result in more hatred for the bedroom crew, not Steve. He's a tattooed ex-soldier in the father role: people are expecting it. Just like your Ben's whitewash argument, I think half of those could be argued the other way. Would you want Steve edited as your enemy? End of the day, it's an hour show, many subtleties or whole plot points have to be cut, the ones you notice are the ones you're looking for.

I disagree.

As I have said before, I am fully aware that this is an hour show and it all can't go in, but once again I want to say that this thread is about what they choose to put in and what they are trying to achieve with that choice.


Steve showing this raging side is a massive part of who he is and could have easily been accomadated in the show. Easily.

everyone should have their bad and good sides shown, and most have. Steve is no exception (no matter who is up against in an argument). To only represent his placid calm side is a dishonest representation of who he is.

Your post just seems like just rationalisation to me. Sorry, honestly not trying to offend, I like the way you debate, but it does.

[stonedape]

Originally Posted by vesavius

I disagree.

As I have said before, I am fully aware that this is an hour show and it all can't go in, but once again I want to say that this thread is about what they choose to put in and what they are trying to achieve with that choice.


Steve showing this raging side is a massive part of who he is and could have easily been accomadated in the show. Easily.

everyone should have their bad and good sides shown, and most have. Steve is no exception (no matter who is up against in an argument). To only represent his placid calm side is a dishonest representation of who he is.

Your post just seems like just rationalisation to me. Sorry, honestly not trying to offend, I like the way you debate, but it does.

I don't think Steve shows this "bad side" very often, and when he does he very quickly calms down and apologizes. If you ask me, the reason they highlighted Nathan and Ife (who were no less invisible/"whitewashed" than Steve) and not Steve was because their fights ultimately impact the storyline more. Steve's going to be friends with them all within the next hour anyways, so from an editors standpoint who cares?

Not saying you're necessarily wrong, they can certainly edit almost any person into almost any role, just saying I think there's a bit of confirmation bias going on, because there's so much that isn't shown.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by stonedape

I don't think Steve shows this "bad side" very often, and when he does he very quickly calms down and apologizes. If you ask me, the reason they highlighted Nathan and Ife (who were no less invisible/"whitewashed" than Steve) and not Steve was because their fights ultimately impact the storyline more. Steve's going to be friends with them all within the next hour anyways, so from an editors standpoint who cares?

Not saying you're necessarily wrong, they can certainly edit almost any person into almost any role, just saying I think there's a bit of confirmation bias going on, because there's so much that isn't shown.

At the moment Steve is pretty much a shoe in for the final, after his outburst last night on LF, lots of people would view him in a different light.

It would not have taken more than 30 seconds each to show him and Corin at the height of their outbursts, though obviously for him the 30 seconds would have been mostly bleeps due to the time of the HL show.

[Lex]

Originally Posted by stonedape

Showing Steve cursing and acting like a 12 year old @ the bedroom crew, that's ultimately going to result in more hatred for the bedroom crew, not Steve. He's a tattooed ex-soldier in the father role: people are expecting it. Just like your Ben's whitewash argument, I think half of those could be argued the other way. Would you want Steve edited as your enemy? End of the day, it's an hour show, many subtleties or whole plot points have to be cut, the ones you notice are the ones you're looking for.

This is the winning post!