[smudgie]

How can he say that Ben has no right to a view on any global opinion as he has never been to war and he is not a politician. What a prat. Surely it is the common man that should have the opinions and the politician that should represent the common man.

[oddballmisfitsFTW]

Originally Posted by smudgie

How can he say that Ben has no right to a view on any global opinion as he has never been to war and he is not a politician. What a prat. Surely it is the common man that should have the opinions and the politician that should represent the common man.

this is first time I heard Steve talk bollocks.

most of the people who fight in wars have no ********* idea why they are there fighting in the first place, just fight for the flag cos their superior orders them to

[Kazanne]

people like Steve ,nathan and co will NEVER listen to anyones opinion (let alone understand)as they are too closeminded and sorry THICK,I was enjoying listening to Bens opinion but as usual he was shot down.

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by kazanne

people like Steve ,nathan and co will NEVER listen to anyones opinion (let alone understand)as they are too closeminded and sory THICK,I was enjoying listening to Bens opinion but as usual he was shot down.

I believe its the other way round.. Ben should remove his head from his azz and stop talking sh*t .. all he cares about is his own opinion he has no time for anyone elses..

[JEJ]

Originally Posted by FireTwilight

I believe its the other way round.. Ben should remove his head from his azz and stop talking sh*t .. all he cares about is his own opinion he has no time for anyone elses..

Absolutely. Ben's idea of a conversation is to wait (looking bored) for the other person to stop talking so he can talk again.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by FireTwilight

I believe its the other way round.. Ben should remove his head from his azz and stop talking sh*t .. all he cares about is his own opinion he has no time for anyone elses..

At least he has an opinion based on actual knowledge, not knee jerk reactions, and what's more he has the courtesy to listen to others' viewpoints (no matter how ridiculous) without shouting them down. He is also articulate and able to string a sentence together without the need to use the word ***** as a conjunction.

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by angus58

At least he has an opinion based on actual knowledge, not knee jerk reactions, and what's more he has the courtesy to listen to others' viewpoints (no matter how ridiculous) without shouting them down. He is also articulate and able to string a sentence together without the need to use the word ***** as a conjunction.

thats silly of course the HMs listen...if they did not listen they wouldn't reply! silly..

Nathan wasn't shouting at Ben .. Ben was doing his usual avoidance of answering a simple question with one of his many get out of jail free cards.. or yet another boring speech.. thus avoiding the decency of replying to nathan's question so Nathan was forced to ask him over and over I dont know if you have ever spoken to someone so wrapped up in nothing but their own opinions they are deaf to the world & people around them... very frustrating to have a 2 sided discussion with..

[Angus]

Originally Posted by FireTwilight

thats silly of course the HMs listen...if they did not listen they wouldn't reply! silly..

Nathan wasn't shouting at Ben .. Ben was doing his usual avoidance of answering a simple question with one of his many get out of jail free cards.. or yet another boring speech.. thus avoiding the decency of replying to nathan's question so Nathan was forced to ask him over and over I dont know if you have ever spoken to someone so wrapped up in nothing but their own opinions they are deaf to the world & people around them... very frustrating to have a 2 sided discussion with..

Nathan is a thick prat and Ben has to try and talk to him in words of one syllable in order that he can understand what the subject under debate is, and still Nathan and the other thick prats only hear what they want to hear and harangue Ben about unrelated and often erroneous issues. They don't "reply" to anything, they react, there's a difference.

Furthermore, I am only too aware of the frustration of trying to debate with someone who is too wrapped up in their own opinion - after all I am engaging in this discussion with you

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Coming from a Ben hater,of course you'de say that.i can see why you would be in the Steve,Nathan camp!!

I don't mind it here at all 'giggle factor team' is much better than 'party political broadcast team'

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by kazanne

people like Steve ,nathan and co will NEVER listen to anyones opinion (let alone understand)as they are too closeminded and sorry THICK,I was enjoying listening to Bens opinion but as usual he was shot down.

At least Ben knows what hes talking about ,he is educated unlike the village idiot and Jeremy Kyle fodder Nathan

[DrunkerThanMoses]

He did say that.

[karezza]

Ben is entitled to his opinion - Steve hasn't got a leg to stand on.

[Lex]

Originally Posted by karezza

Ben is entitled to his opinion - Steve hasn't got a leg to stand on.

Naughty!

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by oddballmisfitsFTW

this is first time I heard Steve talk bollocks.

most of the people who fight in wars have no ********* idea why they are there fighting in the first place, just fight for the flag cos their superior orders them to

Yeah, I think thats true in Steve's case. I remember someone (think it was Ife?) asking him why British troops were targeted in N.Ireland and he said "basically, they dont like us intefering" and if thats the extent of his knowledge of why the IRA were fighting then he doesnt seem to understand the conflict very much

[Livia]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yeah, I think thats true in Steve's case. I remember someone (think it was Ife?) asking him why British troops were targeted in N.Ireland and he said "basically, they dont like us intefering" and if thats the extent of his knowledge of why the IRA were fighting then he doesnt seem to understand the conflict very much

He probably didn't want to fry her three healthy braincells with too much information.

[MojoNixon]

Watching LF right now. I have nothing against Ben, but Steve is kinda right. Someone who has not seen the horror, don't usually know anything about it.

[StGeorge]

Originally Posted by MojoNixon

Watching LF right now. I have nothing against Ben, but Steve is kinda right. Someone who has not seen the horror, don't usually know anything about it.

I am actually Pro-Army and back whats happening with our forces at the moment, but i have to disagree with the premise that only those who have been to war are entitled to have their opinion. That is so wrong in many ways.
I havent seen the footage at all yet. But if it is with regards wars in particular, then i think the everyday man on the street is very clued up to what goes on ever since the Vietnam War.
Experiencing war is one thing, but have a knowledge of and opinion of any particular well televised war scenario is the right of every taxpayer and patriot and anti-war protestor.
Its called democracy and is why we have fought so many wars to have.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by MojoNixon

Watching LF right now. I have nothing against Ben, but Steve is kinda right. Someone who has not seen the horror, don't usually know anything about it.

Well Ben can still have an opinion ffs. To say you can only have an opinion if youve SEEN the horrors first hand is blatantly ridiculous.

And anyways, there are ways of expressing things without getting all steamed up.

[ange7]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Well Ben can still have an opinion ffs. To say you can only have an opinion if youve SEEN the horrors first hand is blatantly ridiculous.

And anyways, there are ways of expressing things without getting all steamed up.

if Ben said " Hitler should have been left and Britain shouldn't have got involved in the war" then we're all entitled to our opinion. Which is Ben is a right wing fascist twat who would have let Hitler kill even more than the 6 million Jew and 2 million handicapped,gays,slaves,gypsys and communists that he murdered.
Wake up Zippy ffs.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by ange7

if Ben said " Hitler should have been left and Britain shouldn't have got involved in the war" then we're all entitled to our opinion. Which is Ben is a right wing fascist twat who would have let Hitler kill even more than the 6 million Jew and 2 million handicapped,gays,slaves,gypsys and communists that he murdered.
Wake up Zippy ffs.

Was he saying Britain should have avoided entering the war, or was he saying the war should have been avoided altogether? Because if its the latter, then the Holocaust only came about because of the chaos of the Nazi regime during wartime

[ange7]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Was he saying Britain should have avoided entering the war, or was he saying the war should have been avoided altogether? Because if its the latter, then the Holocaust only came about because of the chaos of the Nazi regime during wartime

He seems to have said Britain should have not entered the war. (According to reports) Why would he say everyone ought have avoided a war... that's obvious.
PS war or no war ... concentration camps were up and running as early as 1933 .... war started 1939, so either way not really relevant. Hitler had it on his mind to kill millions prior to the starting and those death were not a "result" of WW2.
Might be best to give Ben the benefit of the doubt on this one because if he actually said this he ought to be not only chucked from BB but also from the UK.

[boomoo]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Was he saying Britain should have avoided entering the war, or was he saying the war should have been avoided altogether? Because if its the latter, then the Holocaust only came about because of the chaos of the Nazi regime during wartime

Well he may be a pacifist which is not a hanging offence. Even though they were given white feathers during the war.

A very large portion of this population say we should not be in Afghanistan and we should never have gone into Iraq.
The second world war was more complicated which is why some MPs were accused of appeasement.

Who would ever have thought such a topic would be aired on BB forums

[Chels]

Anyone who says Hitler should have been left be and Britain shouldn't have got involved in the war is a complete ****ing prick IMO. I can't believe he said that, no wonder Steve jumped down his throat!

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by Chels

Anyone who says Hitler should have been left be and Britain shouldn't have got involved in the war is a complete ****ing prick IMO. I can't believe he said that, no wonder Steve jumped down his throat!

OMG is that what was said???? OMFG...good man Steve respect where its due

[spitfire]

Originally Posted by Chels

Anyone who says Hitler should have been left be and Britain shouldn't have got involved in the war is a complete ****ing prick IMO. I can't believe he said that, no wonder Steve jumped down his throat!

Is that what Ben said,really?