[Abhorsen]

Why all the ******* about Steve being a war hero? There are plenty of people who have been blown up by bombs, that does not make them a hero, it makes them a victim.

Steve joined the army of his own free will, he got paid for it, they gave him a good life and a good living. That is NOT a hero. Even if he hadn't been bombed he would have been thrown out of the army for his fat arse, that weight would not be fit for the army.

Steve is milking it.

[stoney]

Originally Posted by Abhorsen

Why all the ******* about Steve being a war hero? There are plenty of people who have been blown up by bombs, that does not make them a hero, it makes them a victim.

Steve joined the army of his own free will, he got paid for it, they gave him a good life and a good living. That is NOT a hero. Even if he hadn't been bombed he would have been thrown out of the army for his fat arse, that weight would not be fit for the army.

Steve is milking it.

being prepared to stand up for your country and being prepared to put yourself in the situation where you can be blown to bits makes him , and every serving soldier, a war hero imo

something you will never understand tho

[Hero1]

Originally Posted by stoney

being prepared to stand up for your country and being prepared to put yourself in the situation where you can be blown to bits makes him , and every serving soldier, a war hero imo

something you will never understand tho

Depends really.

Going to fight in Iraq was about politics and corrupt oil barons, you would not believe the amount of resources are in Afghanistan and all the big business gone over there during this 8-9 year war.

I think Heroes save lives, not take lives and the amount of lives lost in Iraq and Afghanistan results in mass murder in my opinion.

WW2 was very different, literally "nearly" every war since has had a dodgy question mark over it.

When our children are young and do something bad as athe result of their friends telling them to do so, we ask, if they told you to jump of a bridge would you do it..must children usually say no. The weird thing is, our troops usually jump of that bridge with no questions asked to our corrupt politicians.

The truth is we have so much propaganda spun by our government about the troops, none of us are prepared to criticise the wars going on now, it is all about support the troops. Thus meaning we are really emotionally manipulated into supporting their bogus war.

[stoney]

Originally Posted by Hero1

Depends really.

Going to fight in Iraq was about politics and corrupt oil barons, you would not believe the amount of resources are in Afghanistan and all the big business gone over there during this 8-9 year war.

I think Heroes save lives, not take lives and the amount of lives lost in Iraq and Afghanistan results in mass murder in my opinion.

WW2 was very different, literally "nearly" every war since has had a dodgy question mark over it.

When I children are young and do something bad as athe result of their friends telling them to do so, we ask, if they told you to jump of a bridge would you do it..must children usually say no. The weird thing is, our troops usually jump of that bridge with no questions asked to our corrupt politicians.

The truth is we have so much propaganda spun by our government about the troops, none of us are prepared to criticise the wars going on now, it is all about support the troops. Thus meaning we are really emotionally manipulated into supporting their bogus war.

But you are getting the politics mixed up tho.

I will never forget nu liebore's hypocrasy and that war criminal Bliars lies that sent us to war.

But our serving soldiers have no choice but to fight in wars our govt send them into

[Hero1]

Originally Posted by stoney

But you are getting the politics mixed up tho.

I will never forget nu liebore's hypocrasy and that war criminal Bliars lies that sent us to war.

But our serving soldiers have no choice but to fight in wars our govt send them into

War is politics, most wars are forumulated by central government, and the sheeps are sent out to kill, get killed and lose limbs for their gains.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Hero1

War is politics, most wars are forumulated by central government, and the sheeps are sent out to kill, get killed and lose limbs for their gains.

Didn't take toothpick long to make a reappearance, did it.

[Abhorsen]

Originally Posted by stoney

But our serving soldiers have no choice but to fight in wars our govt send them into

RLMAO. Of course they DO have a choice, they joined the army, what did they think they were going to do, play tiddlywinks!!!!

It is silly to suggest that people in the army don't enjoy what they do. I have friends in the forces and they love their job. You really have no idea. You would be shocked if you really heard what solders discuss among themselves. LOL.

You all think of serving solders as something you have seen in a movie or TV, the *nice* comfortable acceptable face of the forces. You would not be calling them 'our boys' if you really knew what they get up to and actually enjoy doing in their line of work.

Grow up.

[stoney]

Originally Posted by Abhorsen

RLMAO. Of course they DO have a choice, they joined the army, what did they think they were going to do, play tiddlywinks!!!!

It is silly to suggest that people in the army don't enjoy what they do. I have friends in the forces and they love their job. You really have no idea. You would be shocked if you really heard what solders discuss among themselves. LOL.

You all think of serving solders as something you have seen in a movie or TV, the *nice* comfortable acceptable face of the forces. You would not be calling them 'our boys' if you really knew what they get up to and actually enjoy doing in their line of work.

Grow up.

troll you have NO IDEA of what i do or do not know.

My brother in law served 2 terms in NI and I have a good many friends both ex-serving soldiers and current ones.
Just cos you claim to know a few people who enjoy their job in forces does not change the FACT that they are expected to go to war whenever they are told to wherever they are told to. If they are lucky they will never be put in that position tho.
As for your "hints" about what soldier's may or may not get up to, yep some nasty things happen in war from ALL sides.
If it saves 1 life from our boys i am happy with that thanks

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Abhorsen

RLMAO. Of course they DO have a choice, they joined the army, what did they think they were going to do, play tiddlywinks!!!!

It is silly to suggest that people in the army don't enjoy what they do. I have friends in the forces and they love their job. You really have no idea. You would be shocked if you really heard what solders discuss among themselves. LOL.

You all think of serving solders as something you have seen in a movie or TV, the *nice* comfortable acceptable face of the forces. You would not be calling them 'our boys' if you really knew what they get up to and actually enjoy doing in their line of work.

Grow up.

I would imagine playing tiddlywinks is about your limit!

I think you need to grow up!

[stoney]

Originally Posted by Abhorsen

RLMAO. Of course they DO have a choice, they joined the army, what did they think they were going to do, play tiddlywinks!!!!
.

long long time ago when i was 18 and had just dropped out on uni I aplied to join the Army (royal Signals)

Thought it would be a good way to learn a trade like the father of the girl I was going out with had (who had served 15 years with no time at war) . The idea of going to war simply never occurred to me as we were at peace, mostly.

It was after the second round of interviews I had passed at catterick that i thought of the war side of things and changed my mind about signing up cos , tbh, I am far more suited to tittleywinks than war

[GypsyGoth]

I think he put on the weight after he got blown up.

And I think it depends how you categorise a hero, he is courageous to put his life on the line so others in society can enjoy freedom.

[flamingGalah!]

I do agree to a certain extent that he isn't a hero... if a civilian gets blown up they are not a hero are they? He indeed is a victim, but I'm sure he has done heroic things...

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

I do agree to a certain extent that he isn't a hero... if a civilian gets blown up they are not a hero are they? He indeed is a victim, but I'm sure he has done heroic things...

But don't guys join the army knowing the risk, the possibility that they might die or get wounded. So isn't the act of joining heroic?

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

But don't guys join the army knowing the risk, the possibility that they might die or get wounded. So isn't the act of joining heroic?

Which is why I said I'm sure he has done heroic things...

[Hero1]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

But don't guys join the army knowing the risk, the possibility that they might die or get wounded. So isn't the act of joining heroic?

Some join the army because the town they come from naturally has a course where their children go to the army, it is normal for them. Others because they have nothing else in life to do, some join the army with pure good intentions.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

But don't guys join the army knowing the risk, the possibility that they might die or get wounded. So isn't the act of joining heroic?

Of course it is - but, unfortunately, some lack the basic understanding to comprehend that fact!

[stoney]

using his lack of limbs and going round showing other amputees that there is still a life to live is a very good thing and very courageous imo.

still dont want him to win tho

[Patrick]

Correct.

[ButterflyGirl]

What's his weight got to do with anything ,uncalled for. i think anyone that fights for thier country is brave and proud and if they have put thier life on the line to defend then they are heroic.

[Abhorsen]

Originally Posted by ButterflyGirl

What's his weight got to do with anything ,uncalled for.

Sooooo, it's OK to discuss endlessly the females HM weight, especially the stuff on the forum about Rachael and Josie, but oh no, not Steve, cos he's a war hero, blah blah blah.

Steve put himself in that BB house, so everything discussed is far game.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by Abhorsen

Sooooo, it's OK to discuss endlessly the females HM weight, especially the stuff on the forum about Rachael and Josie, but oh no, not Steve, cos he's a war hero, blah blah blah.

Steve put himself in that BB house, so everything discussed is far game.

Butterfly never suggested it was ok to discuss female HMs weight.

[walter]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

Butterfly never suggested it was ok to discuss female HMs weight.

difference is steve knows hes fat as does everyone watching. Rachael however thought she was gods gift and people on here thought she wasn't fat when in actual fact she was . she looked more like venus williams

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by walter

difference is steve knows hes fat as does everyone watching. Rachael however thought she was gods gift and people on here thought she wasn't fat when in actual fact she was . she looked more like venus williams

Just because you say someone is fat, doesn't make it a fact. I didn't think Rachel was fat, she wasn't even close to being so.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by walter

difference is steve knows hes fat as does everyone watching. Rachael however thought she was gods gift and people on here thought she wasn't fat when in actual fact she was . she looked more like venus williams

If people on here think Rachel was fat, then some people have a blurred vision of being overweight. She's a normal size.

Back to the topic, the fact he got blown up by a bomb doesn't make him a hero, the fact he chose to stand up for, serve and protect his country does.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Abhorsen

Why all the ******* about Steve being a war hero? There are plenty of people who have been blown up by bombs, that does not make them a hero, it makes them a victim.

Steve joined the army of his own free will, he got paid for it, they gave him a good life and a good living. That is NOT a hero. Even if he hadn't been bombed he would have been thrown out of the army for his fat arse, that weight would not be fit for the army.

Steve is milking it.

As far as I'm concerned ALL soldiers are heroes -or do you expect them to put their lives on the line out of the goodness of their hearts and not be paid for it? It takes guts to be in the armed forces these days, and if you had any idea of what you're talking about as regards the IRA terrorism of 20 years ago, you would know that Steve was maimed in the line of duty, so he is a hero.

It is also heroic how he has managed to deal with it since it happened to him at the age of 19. Imagine having to readjust at that age to a life with such a disability. As to insulting him because he is fat, I wonder how nimble and fit you would be after 20 odd years with two prosthetic legs?