[Crimson Dynamo]

http://gawker.com/5746793/republican...e-in-evolution

This is more and more an issue in the US that people in power on one hand claim to be Christians (to get votes) but at the same time are being exposed as idiots not fit to run anything.

[lostalex]

Well if you are a Christian, you do not believe in evolution. I imagine there are plenty of Christian British MP's too. Not to mention, the Queen of England, who is also the head of the Anglican church. The Queen of England does not believe in evolution by definition. Has anyone ever asked her?

Either God created man in his image, or he didn't.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Well if you are a Christian, you do not believe in evolution. I imagine there are plenty of Christian British MP's too. Not to mention, the Queen of England, who is also the head of the Anglican church. The Queen of England does not believe in evolution by definition. Has anyone ever asked her?

Either God created man in his image, or he didn't.

I would doubt that there is a single British MP who doubts evolution and the Queen may be the legal head but she aint no fool

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I would doubt that there is a single British MP who doubts evolution and the Queen may be the legal head but she aint no fool

You make a lot of assumptions.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by lostalex

You make a lot of assumptions.

"Well if you are a Christian, you do not believe in evolution. I imagine there are plenty of Christian British MP's too."

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"Well if you are a Christian, you do not believe in evolution. I imagine there are plenty of Christian British MP's too."

Human beings being made in the image of God is fundamental to the religion. There is nothing in the Christian religion that allows for evolution. If you don't believe in the creation of the Universe by God, then how are you a Christian? That would make no sense.

I'm not a Christian btw.

[Niamh.]

I'd hazard a guess that a fair portion of Christians believe in evolution and still see themselves as Christians

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'd hazard a guess that a fair portion of Christians believe in evolution and still see themselves as Christians

yes i agree but them i doubt many christians could suggest what it takes to be one or agree.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes i agree but them i doubt many christians could suggest what it takes to be one or agree.

A belief in Jesus Christ would be a start, wouldnt it?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Shasown

A belief in Jesus Christ would be a start, wouldnt it?

A belief of what though

that he existed
that he was god
that he could do magic
that he died and was magiced up to a place called heaven
that he can read your thoughts
that he is coming back
that he watched millions of children die in pain every year

?

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

A belief of what though

that he existed
that he was god
that he could do magic
that he died and was magiced up to a place called heaven
that he can read your thoughts
that he is coming back
that he watched millions of children die in pain every year

?

All believe that Jesus existed in some form or another.
Most believe that he was either god or became god sometime during his life, (thats to include a lot of early christian sects).
They dont look upon it is magic. Just using his powers.
Some believe that he died in order the world would be saved/he died for our sins. Not all believe he ascended to heaven at that time.
A lot believe he will come back.

Arent you a Christian LT? What do you believe?

[Crimson Dynamo]

you misunderstand. I only stated that the evidence of anything that i, you and everyone else on tibb require is kind of that of a court.

you tell me you saw a ghost and i ask the same questions i would ask of you (to prove it) as if you had accused me of sleeping with your partner.

the evidence we require of folks on a daily basis is what we all should require from any supernatural claim

it is why no supernatural claims are ever substantiated

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

you misunderstand. I only stated that the evidence of anything that i, you and everyone else on tibb require is kind of that of a court.

you tell me you saw a ghost and i ask the same questions i would ask of you (to prove it) as if you had accused me of sleeping with your partner.

the evidence we require of folks on a daily basis is what we all should require from any supernatural claim

it is why no supernatural claims are ever substantiated

Does that mean you have handed in your warrant card from the god squad?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Does that mean you have handed in your warrant card from the god squad?

I only seek the truth

[bananarama]

Evolution is a convenient theory but wrong........Evolution is part of creation not the cause of it........

If you designed a machine capable of evolving it is not the evolving that creates its the original creation which could either have included evolution as factor or not.......

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by bananarama

Evolution is a convenient theory but wrong........Evolution is part of creation not the cause of it........

If you designed a machine capable of evolving it is not the evolving that creates its the original creation which could either have included evolution as factor or not.......

It's creation that is the convenient theory. Lets get that straight!

Evolution has facts to back it up. God is just a fantasy figure that exists only in the mind.

[Stu]

Jesus Christ was a Jew. He read, studied and believed in the Jewish Torah. Including that bit about creation.

Christians who believe in Evolution might just be more stupid than Christians who don't. If you are going to be stupid you may as well be consistent and believe the whole thing instead of picking and choosing.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Stu

Jesus Christ was a Jew. He read, studied and believed in the Jewish Torah. Including that bit about creation.

Christians who believe in Evolution might just be more stupid than Christians who don't. If you are going to be stupid you may as well be consistent and believe the whole thing instead of picking and choosing.

Thats a very good point Stu, however since when has religion or the followers of religion been consistent?

Surely if christians wanted to be consistent they wouldnt be christians but Jews themselves? After all JC didnt start the religion named after him.

[letmein]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Thats a very good point Stu, however since when has religion or the followers of religion been consistent?

Surely if christians wanted to be consistent they wouldnt be christians but Jews themselves? After all JC didnt start the religion named after him.

Jesus is believed to be the son of Christ amongst Christians. Jews don't buy this, and are still awaiting the second coming. The whole Jesus story goes against Judaism, thus, Christians cannot be Jews.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by letmein

Jesus is believed to be the son of Christ amongst Christians. Jews don't buy this, and are still awaiting the second coming. The whole Jesus story goes against Judaism, thus, Christians cannot be Jews.

No he isnt.

Jesus is said to be the son of god not the son of Christ.

Christ being the translation to English from the Greek word christos (english spelling) equivalent to the jewish word for messiah.

He didnt proclaim himself as such either, in fact all of his teachings are what would have been seen as traditional Judaism and he followed with Jewish traditions and religious practices so surely those following him should also adopt the jewish religion.

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by Stu

Jesus Christ was a Jew. He read, studied and believed in the Jewish Torah. Including that bit about creation.

Christians who believe in Evolution might just be more stupid than Christians who don't. If you are going to be stupid you may as well be consistent and believe the whole thing instead of picking and choosing.

True enough, but the funny thing is the Jewish community more or less accepted Darwin's theory of evolution overnight compared to the more dogmatic Christian community who hold to Creationist superstition and still keep it going today. Although one notable and bizarre exception is the shrieking Daily Mail harpie Melanie Phillips.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It is scary to think that any politician would say they believe in magical powers

[Sticks]

Q

How did we get life a started in the first place? - All experiments with best methodology and equipment have failed to create life. Some of the evidence points to an early atmosphere that was oxidising. Hint, Oxygen is what you don't want when forming complex compounds on the basis that if it is present it the chemicals will be more likely to form simpler oxides.

How are changes supposed to occur over time, when the mechanism proposed, genetic mutation is actually an error in copying. I have seen reference to good mutations, yet in nature we have yet to documents one.

Note: The example given in the video about bacterial resistance to antibiotic being an example of evolution is an old chestnut here. Bacterial resistance is caused by the interchange of plasmids

[arista]

How did we get life a started in the first place?

It was a Lucky Dip
As the Universe broke up
and some mixes produced fish.

There is No God.

[Angus]

Being a Christian and believing in evolution does not necessarily have to be mutually exclusive. The bible is a collection of writings from about 40 contributors, 30 in the Old Testament, and 10 in the New. The accounts in the Old Testament date from the earliest times and were originally transmitted orally, until over time they were written down and recognised by the Hewbrews as a mandate from God. Therefore, there is clearly a hell of a lot of room for misinterpretation, embellishment and pure fabrication. In particular in the Book of Genesis a single "day" could just as easily be a metaphor for thousands or even millions of years. Furthermore, the concept of "time" in the Old Testament may not be the same as that we have now, which would explain why some Old Testament characters are reputed to have lived for almost a thousand years!