[Crimson Dynamo]

Its one word to cover a lot of bases?

[GiRTh]

Rape is rape. Whether its a guy stalking women, a husband or boyfriend or if its a date rape. The degree of violence involved should determine the severity of the sentence but no rape is better or worse than another.

[Vicky.]

I dont think a 16 year old lad sleeping with his 15 year old girlfriend should be classed as rape. If she consented of course

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I dont think a 16 year old lad sleeping with his 15 year old girlfriend should be classed as rape. If she consented of course

Yeah, that's statutory rape though, it is classed as different, those cases definitely need to be taken case by case.

But rape is like murder imo they are what they are but obviously some can be more violent than others as Girth already said

[Chuck]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I dont think a 16 year old lad sleeping with his 15 year old girlfriend should be classed as rape. If she consented of course

[Jords]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I dont think a 16 year old lad sleeping with his 15 year old girlfriend should be classed as rape. If she consented of course

Its not rape at all, just under age sex.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Jords

Its not rape at all, just under age sex.

Yeah if she is 15 and emotionally mature, thats true, but what happens if she is 14 or 12 or even 10? Can a 10 year old consent to sex? They are given sex education at an early age nowadays, do they understand the full potential consequences?

A line has to be drawn legally to give protection to all children and those who are emotionally immature and the current line is 16.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Yeah if she is 15 and emotionally mature, thats true, but what happens if she is 14 or 12 or even 10? Can a 10 year old consent to sex? They are given sex education at an early age nowadays, do they understand the full potential consequences?

A line has to be drawn legally to give protection to all children and those who are emotionally immature and the current line is 16.

I agree but I do think in cases of statutory rape they need to be taken case by case and the ages of both parties taken into consideration

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I agree but I do think in cases of statutory rape they need to be taken case by case and the ages of both parties taken into consideration

In the UK they are taken on an individual case basis, not all are prosecuted. Its not just the age taken into account but the emotional and intellectual maturity of both parties

[Zippy]

No every case is completely different. To class them all in the same category is just stupid imho.

A guy jumping from behind a bush and raping an old woman is hardly the same as a man who forces himself on his wife in bed after maybe getting mixed signals as to whether she wants sex or not.

If your gonna lump them all together then expect even lower rates of convictions. And God knows theyre pathetic enough as it is.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Zippy

No every case is completely different. To class them all in the same category is just stupid imho.

A guy jumping from behind a bush and raping an old woman is hardly the same as a man who forces himself on his wife in bed after maybe getting mixed signals as to whether she wants sex or not.

If your gonna lump them all together then expect even lower rates of convictions. And God knows theyre pathetic enough as it is.

That's the biggest excuse ever when it comes to rapists. "I thought she wanted it".

Even if it's his wife, if she's pushing him away and he is literally forcing her into it, then it's rape.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

That's the biggest excuse ever when it comes to rapists. "I thought she wanted it".

Even if it's his wife, if she's pushing him away and he is literally forcing her into it, then it's rape.

yeah, I know what rape is thanks

but it's possible that in some cases there is a genuine misreading of signals. In some relationships a woman may enjoy the game of playing hard to get by saying no, no I don't want to...almost as a game of foreplay knowing that he will persist. But then one day she may really mean it when she says no. So how is the man then supposed to know the difference?

No does not always mean no. Some women like to tease and play hard to get as part of the mating ritual.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Zippy

yeah, I know what rape is thanks

but it's possible that in some cases there is a genuine misreading of signals. In some relationships a woman may enjoy the game of playing hard to get by saying no, no I don't want to...almost as a game of foreplay knowing that he will persist. But then one day she may really mean it when she says no. So how is the man then supposed to know the difference?

No does not always mean no. Some women like to tease and play hard to get as part of the mating ritual.

Yes, but if she's still saying "no" in a serious way and literally fighting him off I think he'd know the difference to a bit of giggling resistance. Unless he's a moron, which in most cases is the way with these crimes.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Yes, but if she's still saying "no" in a serious way and literally fighting him off I think he'd know the difference to a bit of giggling resistance. Unless he's a moron, which in most cases is the way with these crimes.

well your post highlights the difficulty in determining how strongly a woman is resisting. In a serious way? Fighting him off? Giggling? who's is to determine to what extent and how strongly she was doing this? A woman may just be angry with her husband or BF at that point and not want to give him sex right then. Afterwards she may cry rape to get back at him for God knows what else? maybe he has cheated on her and she wants revenge? See, there are a minefield of possibilities...motives etc

whereas a random attack by a stranger is a more clearcut case.

Those quick to lump them all together should also consider which rapists are more of a threat to society and need locking up for societys protection. A man who goes too far with his GF or wife one night is not necessarily a threat to society. Whereas a man who attacks and rapes strangers clearly is and needs locking up to protect other women. This is surely a huge factor in determining prison sentences.

Besides, I think its stupid to just lump all cases under one umbrella. Every case is unique. The reason there are so few convictions is largely because there isnt enough scope for sentencing according to degrees of severity in rape cases. Its all or nothing. So most rapists walk free.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Zippy

yeah, I know what rape is thanks

but it's possible that in some cases there is a genuine misreading of signals. In some relationships a woman may enjoy the game of playing hard to get by saying no, no I don't want to...almost as a game of foreplay knowing that he will persist. But then one day she may really mean it when she says no. So how is the man then supposed to know the difference?

No does not always mean no. Some women like to tease and play hard to get as part of the mating ritual.

that's complete BS. If a girl is into "roleplaying" a rape fantasy then that should be discussed beforehand. The idea that women sometimes mean yes when they say no is a myth created by rapists.

[Livia]

Anyone remember the Mike Tyson rape case? She went back to his hotel room at daft o’clock in the morning and claimed he had raped her. I reckon if you go back to a man’s hotel room at three in the morning, you’re not going there for a game of Scrabble. She made loads of money out of it and gained celebrity status and he went to prison. That’s just screwed up. Contrast that with someone who’s attacked and raped by a stranger. Not all rape cases are the same.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

that's complete BS. If a girl is into "roleplaying" a rape fantasy then that should be discussed beforehand. The idea that women sometimes mean yes when they say no is a myth created by rapists.

Coming from the queen of BS?

what a simplistic little world you live in where everything is discussed and preplanned beforehand and everything everybody says is literal and exactly what it states. A world where women never play mindgames, it seems.

And who let you back anyways?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Zippy

yeah, I know what rape is thanks

but it's possible that in some cases there is a genuine misreading of signals. In some relationships a woman may enjoy the game of playing hard to get by saying no, no I don't want to...almost as a game of foreplay knowing that he will persist. But then one day she may really mean it when she says no. So how is the man then supposed to know the difference?

No does not always mean no. Some women like to tease and play hard to get as part of the mating ritual.

What an awful frame of mind to have. Absolutely terrible way to perceive woman - some or otherwise.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

What an awful frame of mind to have. Absolutely terrible way to perceive woman - some or otherwise.

oh diddums have I offended you?

tough titty

Some women are wicked. Some men are wicked. Who knew?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Zippy

............No does not always mean no. Some women like to tease and play hard to get as part of the mating ritual.

And hopefully some women would hand you back your b*ll*cks in a bag as part of that same "mating ritual".

I remember a judge saying that when a woman says no, it doesn't always mean no. He was ridiculed. And rightly too.

[BB_Eye]

I see no point in making the definition of rape so artificially complex. By setting up a hierarchy whereby the victims are variously responsible for the rape, it shifts the blame away from the criminal. This way, we actually adopt the mentality of the rapist. Clarke lost the argument by taking their side.

[joeysteele]

All rape is rape, but there are clearly elements that constitute a more serious act than just rape, the circumstances, the violence involved and also whether planned or not by the perpetrator.

[lostalex]

kidnapping a girl and keeping her as a sex slave for 5 years in your basement is much worse than putting it in your wife while she's sleeping.

Both are techincally rape(sex without consent), but they are VERY different crimes, i'd say.

[onlinebigbrother12344]

rapes rape to me!

[joeysteele]

I agree with Livia totally. ( for some reason the quote thing didn't work for me on this post).