[Tom4784]

It's okay to dislike a HM and say so but hold back on the childish name calling and the like please. It's making the forum look pretty cheap and very pathetic. To be so emotionally invested in a show to think that such abuse is justified is worrying. Nobody will get infracted for insulting a HM unless it's stupidly offensive but just keep it in mind because I every time come into the BB12 forum I cringe at the behavior of forum members.

Coming up with childish nicknames for your least liked HM does not make you look witty, it makes you look limited, immature and ultimately quite sad and it's making the forum look like that too. Try to hold back some of the vitriol please people.

[Scream]

yeah.

[Patrick]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's okay to dislike a HM and say so but hold back on the childish name calling and the like please. It's making the forum look pretty cheap and very pathetic. To be so emotionally invested in a show to think that such abuse is justified is worrying. Nobody will get infracted for insulting a HM unless it's stupidly offensive but just keep it in mind because I every time come into the BB12 forum I cringe at the behavior of forum members.

Coming up with childish nicknames for your least liked HM does not make you look witty, it makes you look limited, immature and ultimately quite sad and it's making the forum look like that too. Try to hold back some of the vitriol please people.

The forum's default theme is Winter Wonderland and it's Homepage is a mess.

It needs no help on looking cheap and tacky.

And it's not our fault, it's a Big Brother forum - some of us are more into the show than others and do get caught up with it, alot and feel passionate about the series - I agree with what you're saying though it is VERY childish when people come up with little nicknames for housemates they don't like, especially when the nicknames don't even make sense.

But at the end of the day, I think Mods should be more concerned about certain members insulting BB fans - just because they 'don't like the new era' it's ridiculous and it happened alot in CBB8, it may of calmed down now but it's still there, the amount of negativity on this forum from so called 'fans' revolving the show is a disgrace.

And If I were a new member who just joined, THAT alone would be enough to drive me away - because it's really hard trying to discuss the show when you've got other members laughing at you and calling the show pathetic and just trolling constantly.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Patrick

The forum's default theme is Winter Wonderland and it's Homepage is a mess.

It needs no help on looking cheap and tacky.

And it's not our fault, it's a Big Brother forum - some of us are more into the show than others and do get caught up with it, alot and feel passionate about the series - I agree with what you're saying though it is VERY childish when people come up with little nicknames for housemates they don't like, especially when the nicknames don't even make sense.

But at the end of the day, I think Mods should be more concerned about certain members insulting BB fans - just because they 'don't like the new era' it's ridiculous and it happened alot in CBB8, it may of calmed down now but it's still there, the amount of negativity on this forum from so called 'fans' revolving the show is a disgrace.

And If I were a new member who just joined, THAT alone would be enough to drive me away - because it's really hard trying to discuss the show when you've got other members laughing at you and calling the show pathetic and just trolling constantly.

The same can be said for some of your rants Patrick and your rude little quips. Not very awe inspiring or welcoming to new members and current members of the site. There is being passionate and then there is being aggressive.

[Patrick]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

The same can be said for some of your rants Patrick and your rude little quips. Not very awe inspiring or welcoming to new members and current members of the site. There is being passionate and then there is being aggressive.

I stopped that months ago, I only be aggressive to people if they have a problem with me.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Patrick

The forum's default theme is Winter Wonderland and it's Homepage is a mess.

It needs no help on looking cheap and tacky.

And it's not our fault, it's a Big Brother forum - some of us are more into the show than others and do get caught up with it, alot and feel passionate about the series - I agree with what you're saying though it is VERY childish when people come up with little nicknames for housemates they don't like, especially when the nicknames don't even make sense.

But at the end of the day, I think Mods should be more concerned about certain members insulting BB fans - just because they 'don't like the new era' it's ridiculous and it happened alot in CBB8, it may of calmed down now but it's still there, the amount of negativity on this forum from so called 'fans' revolving the show is a disgrace.

And If I were a new member who just joined, THAT alone would be enough to drive me away - because it's really hard trying to discuss the show when you've got other members laughing at you and calling the show pathetic and just trolling constantly.

The attitude of some forum members is a bigger problem then the forum's appearance and as mods we can't change anything about the appearance of the site but we can do something about troublesome members.

As for your concerns, people who insult others are punished, they might not always be banned because they might not have amassed enough points beforehand to cross over into an automatic ban. The best thing to do if you encounter this behavior is to report it.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Patrick

But at the end of the day, I think Mods should be more concerned about certain members insulting BB fans - just because they 'don't like the new era' it's ridiculous and it happened alot in CBB8, it may of calmed down now but it's still there, the amount of negativity on this forum from so called 'fans' revolving the show is a disgrace.

And If I were a new member who just joined, THAT alone would be enough to drive me away - because it's really hard trying to discuss the show when you've got other members laughing at you and calling the show pathetic and just trolling constantly.

I have not seen this. I have seen certain members going from thread to threa moaning about the series though (even though some claim not to even watch the show) but there is nothing that could, or should be done to people who just do not like the show. If they do resort to insults though, report it. I know how annoying it is to see the same people bleating on about faults 24/7, but they ARE entitled to a negative opinion. I don't quite understand it myself like, if I didnt like a show, I just wouldnt watch it. Not watch it just to find things to moan about, but I guess some people are wired differently to me.

New members are usually driven away because of other FMs insulting them for various reasons, most of all. You forget we do know quite a bit about this because usually if someone leaves(usually people with a couple of posts, not older members who tend to make a fuss on the main boards instead), we get PMs/emails about it and they say things like how unwelcome they were made to feel. I have yet to see a message saying someone has left because there were people on here that dont like BB.

Obviously everyone will like/dislike different housemates and express their opinions on those housemates. But this message was more for the fair few members who seem to ONLY spout hate. They have begun insulting fans of the housmates they dislike, making up silly names for them, and pretty much just hopping from thread to thread spouting venom. Now, I do love a good bitch about someone I dislike, but I know when to drop it, as do most members. No way would I sit for hours just posting the same venom over and over and pretty much coming across as if foaming at the mouth. I would rather spread my time between having a conversation about someone I dislike, and a one about someone I like. Too much negativity is not good (LOL I just realised I sound like heaven now ) I just think sometimes, people need to be reminded to take a deep breath and realise that while the housemates DO put themselves up for criticism the second they enter the house, they ARE still people. And a little restraint is needed at times.

[Josy]

I agree about the ott hate filled posts being ridiculous and we have pointed out before that even though it's fine to insult a housemate constant posts like that in every thread will get the member doing it warned or infracted, hurling abuse at the hm in every thread adds nothing of value at all imo.

[James]

Originally Posted by Patrick

The forum's default theme is Winter Wonderland and it's Homepage is a mess.

It needs no help on looking cheap and tacky.

And it's not our fault, it's a Big Brother forum - some of us are more into the show than others and do get caught up with it, alot and feel passionate about the series - I agree with what you're saying though it is VERY childish when people come up with little nicknames for housemates they don't like, especially when the nicknames don't even make sense.

But at the end of the day, I think Mods should be more concerned about certain members insulting BB fans - just because they 'don't like the new era' it's ridiculous and it happened alot in CBB8, it may of calmed down now but it's still there, the amount of negativity on this forum from so called 'fans' revolving the show is a disgrace.

And If I were a new member who just joined, THAT alone would be enough to drive me away - because it's really hard trying to discuss the show when you've got other members laughing at you and calling the show pathetic and just trolling constantly.

Umm, to answer this... I do have a list of things to do on the site, trouble I end up doing other stuff which is necessary for the upkeep of the site and forum, which takes time. Example is trying to manage and improve the speed of the site. I made a change the other day which I think has improved it (I think there was a problem earlier today though btw), even though you won't notice a major difference to the cosmetic aspects of the site. It did take some work to do though which prevents me doing other stuff.

That's why I've been asking for contributions to things like picture gallery, Twitter and articles, so I can get round to other things here.

Also I've been rather busy and pre-occupied recently.

[jtalh2003]

it probably has a bit to do with them trying to attract a younger audience while at the same time alienating a lot of its long term older viewers

[Visage]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

because I every time come into the BB12 forum I cringe at the behavior of [Insert word] some [/insert word] forum members.

Surely it's not everyone of us making you cringe...

[Marsh.]

I can't believe what Patrick has just posted. He's the one to kick off an argument of anyone has the slightest negative opinion about the show not just towards the very vocal ones who go on and on. I've slowly come around to this series but even I've been at the receiving end of one of his rounds of "abuse" (for want of a better word) and that certainly did not stop months ago.

Mirror, Patrick. Patrick, mirror.

Although I do agree that the homepage is an absolute mess and the Christmas themed default is pretty ridiculous.

[Locke.]

Half the fun of watching the show is coming on here and arguing with people about their favourite housemates..

But it's ok, most the insults will stop when the little cave troll Alex is evicted

[Adamw92]

Originally Posted by Locke.

Half the fun of watching the show is coming on here and arguing with people about their favourite housemates..

But it's ok, most the insults will stop when the little cave troll Alex is evicted

Alex isn't going anywhere anytime soon

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Locke.

Half the fun of watching the show is coming on here and arguing with people about their favourite housemates..

But it's ok, most the insults will stop when the little cave troll Alex is evicted

Arguing is fine. Insults are fine(within reason, no death wishs etc) but the problem would come if you decided to go pretty much copy and paste your cave troll comment into EVERY thread about BB. Adding nothing else to any conversation besides childish insults

[Marsh.]

Aww, I think Alex is most likely to make the final at this stage. Well, Alex and Aaron.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's okay to dislike a HM and say so but hold back on the childish name calling and the like please. It's making the forum look pretty cheap and very pathetic. To be so emotionally invested in a show to think that such abuse is justified is worrying. Nobody will get infracted for insulting a HM unless it's stupidly offensive but just keep it in mind because I every time come into the BB12 forum I cringe at the behavior of forum members.

Coming up with childish nicknames for your least liked HM does not make you look witty, it makes you look limited, immature and ultimately quite sad and it's making the forum look like that too. Try to hold back some of the vitriol please people.

With respect,weren't you overly scathing about a certain XFactor contestant last year,simply because he dared record a single taken from Biffy Clyro,so much so a couple of people commented on it,saying you had real hate for him,I think most of the banter on here is a bit of fun and harmless,the most offensive ones are the personal insults,I admit when I have been insulted as I see it I answer back ,it's human nature and I dont think that will EVER be wiped out on any forum.Most people on here are really nice that is why I post but I do think one or two have got away with terrible insults.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by kazanne

With respect,weren't you overly scathing about a certain XFactor contestant last year,simply because he dared record a single taken from Biffy Clyro,so much so a couple of people commented on it,saying you had real hate for him,I think most of the banter on here is a bit of fun and harmless,the most offensive ones are the personal insults,I admit when I have been insulted as I see it I answer back ,it's human nature and I dont think that will EVER be wiped out on any forum.Most people on here are really nice that is why I post but I do think one or two have got away with terrible insults.

I said he was rubbish and overrated and that he was most likely going to flop, which is an opinion. I didn't resort to the petty name calling that some members have taken to on here. If I resorted to calling him a prostitute, cave troll or stupid nicknames then that would have been wrong. That's the difference, don't like a housemate? Fine just don't cross the line with it.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I said he was rubbish and overrated and that he was most likely going to flop, which is an opinion. I didn't resort to the petty name calling that some members have taken to on here. If I resorted to calling him a prostitute, cave troll or stupid nicknames then that would have been wrong. That's the difference, don't like a housemate? Fine just don't cross the line with it.

I know what you said,I was on the end of it,I will not argue with you,,it was commented on a few times,some still remember it now,but that is by the by,I for one will not be told what to say or do,I am not a child,shame that the talk about some of the girls is not kept in check,that too is wrong but because it's the 'lads' it's ok,not all of us want to listen to childish smut but we put up with it,I dont disagree that some of the posts are bad,but if someone behaves in a certain way they will get judged and talked about in a derogotary way ,people have their own way of posting about their dislikes,surely that is what a forum is for.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by kazanne

I know what you said,I was on the end of it,I will not argue with you,,it was commented on a few times,some still remember it now,but that is by the by,I for one will not be told what to say or do,I am not a child,shame that the talk about some of the girls is not kept in check,that too is wrong but because it's the 'lads' it's ok,not all of us want to listen to childish smut but we put up with it,I dont disagree that some of the posts are bad,but if someone behaves in a certain way they will get judged and talked about in a derogotary way ,people have their own way of posting about their dislikes,surely that is what a forum is for.

Well be that as it may, but when joining the forum, you agreed to following the rules. Same as you would have to anywhere else you chose to talk about the shows. If you chose not to do that, dont moan or be surprised if you get banned.

This is not a threat btw, this thread was never about anyone in particular. But if you are pretty much going to say you will not follow the rules, then you will at some point need to face the consequences unfortunately. Same as everyone else.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Well be that as it may, but when joining the forum, you agreed to following the rules. Same as you would have to anywhere else you chose to talk about the shows. If you chose not to do that, dont moan or be surprised if you get banned.

This is not a threat btw, this thread was never about anyone in particular. But if you are pretty much going to say you will not follow the rules, then you will at some point need to face the consequences unfortunately. Same as everyone else.

No worries I am fully expecting it I have noted the remarks I made about the smutty talk about the girls has not been mentioned,wonder why?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by kazanne

I know what you said,I was on the end of it,I will not argue with you,,it was commented on a few times,some still remember it now,but that is by the by,I for one will not be told what to say or do,I am not a child,shame that the talk about some of the girls is not kept in check,that too is wrong but because it's the 'lads' it's ok,not all of us want to listen to childish smut but we put up with it,I dont disagree that some of the posts are bad,but if someone behaves in a certain way they will get judged and talked about in a derogotary way ,people have their own way of posting about their dislikes,surely that is what a forum is for.

The point is that you don't need to go over the top about it, why are you struggling with the concept of not just letting the vitriol fly? You can say you dislike someone I'm just saying reign in the insults a bit.

At the end of the day this isn't something i've dreamed up by myself, the rest of the mods are in agreement with it. If you don't agree with the rules then no one is forcing you to stay, like Vicky said by signing on here you agreed to follow the rules. It's that simple.

[Incensed]

Well I think the rules are a little confusing, but it can't be easy keeping us all happy. So I'd just like to say thanks to you all for giving your time and monitoring the site and giving us somewhere to vent our feelings.

[Chuck]

Patrick's insults towards Alex are getting tedious now.

[Ammi]

There are members who appear to comment very little about housemates and seem to post ONLY to insult members whom they dont know