[Jack_]

Youtube video

This video is doing the rounds at the minute...just wondering what everyone's opinions on it is?

[Smithy]

he was a bit rough, but if he hadn't paid then he shouldn't have been on the train, seems pretty simple to me

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jesus Christo

he was a bit rough, but if he hadn't paid then he shouldn't have been on the train, seems pretty simple to me

Yes it was on Ch4News

The Punk would not move as the Rail Man was real old.


So Well Done to the Public Big Bloke
who chucked the Stinking Punk Off the Train.


Justice.

[Pyramid*]

For all the people who moan about the price of public transport - it's arseholes like this to blame.

Loads of people get away with fare dodging - this guy got caught - he should have had the sense to take it on the chin and left when he was asked to.

The Scots don't put up with this pish - and it was nice to see a more younger guy helping out the older conductor - who was only doing his job but had a young yob thinking he was some sort of hard man, cursing away at the old guy. He showed him no respect - so the other passenger gave the gobsh*te as dose of his own 'no respect' medicine.

Good on the big guy.

[Ramsay]

I dont think yer man should of interfered
Defo too rough .didnt even let him pick up his things from the train
It was dark who knows what the kid is going through he mightnt of been able to afford the train who knows
and the fact the people are clapping after witnessing the bigger fella bully the smaller dude off is retarded

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Karl

I dont think yer man should of interfered
Defo too rough .didnt even let him pick up his things from the train
It was dark who knows what the kid is going through he mightnt of been able to afford the train who knows

Why did he go on the train then if he cant afford it? theres no excuses imo.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Bethlehem

Why did he go on the train then if he cant afford it?

exactly, I can't afford a Lamborghini, but that doesn't mean I take one from the sales room

[Ramsay]

Originally Posted by Bethlehem

Why did he go on the train then if he cant afford it? theres no excuses imo.

Maybe it was his only way home
We dont know him none of us do
We're all so quick to judge him based on a 2 min clip
We have no idea what he could be going through..for all we know maybe it was a huge misunderstanding , maybe he did have a right ticket but the old guy was getting it wrong..anyway they should of just let the police handle it not some big guy who thinks hes tough

[tmi]

Originally Posted by Snowball

For all the people who moan about the price of public transport - it's arseholes like this to blame.

Loads of people get away with fare dodging - this guy got caught - he should have had the sense to take it on the chin and left when he was asked to.

The Scots don't put up with this pish - and it was nice to see a more younger guy helping out the older conductor - who was only doing his job but had a young yob thinking he was some sort of hard man, cursing away at the old guy. He showed him no respect - so the other passenger gave the gobsh*te as dose of his own 'no respect' medicine.

Good on the big guy.

You wouldnt go into a taxi and say Im not paying for the fare would you.
The trouble today people are to pc and then the perpetrator has more rights than the victim the world has gone mad. A minority of young people thinks the world owes them something but in actual fact they owe them fark all.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by tmi

You wouldnt go into a taxi and say Im not paying for the fare would you.
The trouble today people are to pc and then the perpetrator has more rights than the victim the world has gone mad. A minority of young people thinks the world owes them something but in actual fact they owe them fark all.

Look I have said it before and will say it again morally big man was right, you arent getting an argument with me on that. Legally however its a different game.

As for the taxi question, yeah have taken a taxi and walked into the house without paying, sent the wife god rest her soul out to settle up with the driver.

I have three kids.

[tmi]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Look I have said it before and will say it again morally big man was right, you arent getting an argument with me on that. Legally however its a different game.

As for the taxi question, yeah have taken a taxi and walked into the house without paying, sent the wife god rest her soul out to settle up with the driver.

I have three kids.

Yep I understand I have children of my own . I hope my children would never do anything like the 19year old in question but if he/she did I hope they would pay up rather than be chucked off the train was that an option? If the burly guy was heavy handed and threatening then yes there would be legal consquences .
The taxi answer above you did pay or should I say wife.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by tmi

Yep I understand I have children of my own . I hope my children would never do anything like the 19year old in question but if he/she did I hope they would pay up rather than be chucked off the train was that an option? If the burly guy was heavy handed and threatening then yes there would be legal consquences .
The taxi answer above you did pay or should I say wife.

Of course she paid, told you have three kids

Mind you think I have done it about 6 times, so would that mean she blew the other three off?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by tmi

You wouldnt go into a taxi and say Im not paying for the fare would you.
The trouble today people are to pc and then the perpetrator has more rights than the victim the world has gone mad. A minority of young people thinks the world owes them something but in actual fact they owe them fark all.

No one is saying the boy was right, the only thing people are saying is the way it was handled was pretty bad. The conductor should have called security and got them to meet him and deal with the boy at the next station instead of riling up the whole train and making the situation 100 times worse.

[tmi]

Originally Posted by Christmas Neeve

No one is saying the boy was right, the only thing people are saying is the way it was handled was pretty bad. The conductor should have called security and got them to meet him and deal with the boy at the next station instead of riling up the whole train and making the situation 100 times worse.

Mishandled situation seems to happen all the time, youngests seem to be fiery and being man handled just seems to make matters worse. I have to agree with your posts. See both sides of the story.

[Roy Mars III]

What a prick. He basically mauled the kid off the bus.

[Roy Mars III]

He never should have gotten on, but he shouldn't have been thrown off like that. And the guy shouldn't have gotten applause for doing it.

[Jack_]

Still no excuse for this so-called 'big man' to use physical force against him though. Yeah, I'm not denying the 19 year old was clearly in the wrong, but if he needed to be removed then it should have been up to the relevant authorities to do that, not some passenger on a train who thinks he can take matters into his own hands in to be honest, what looks like an attempt to show off to everybody else on the train.

At the end of the day the 19 year old didn't exert any physical force or violence himself and so the 'big man' had no right to either...and the use of bad language doesn't automatically mean you can do that either, they're not on the same level at all. Oh, and the applause was totally pathetic.

Both are in the wrong here if you ask me.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Karl

I dont think yer man should of interfered
Defo too rough .didnt even let him pick up his things from the train
It was dark who knows what the kid is going through he mightnt of been able to afford the train who knows
and the fact the people are clapping after witnessing the bigger fella bully the smaller dude off is retarded

Originally Posted by Roy Claus III

He never should have gotten on, but he shouldn't have been thrown off like that. And the guy shouldn't have gotten applause for doing it.

Originally Posted by Jack_

Still no excuse for this so-called 'big man' to use physical force against him though. Yeah, I'm not denying the 19 year old was clearly in the wrong, but if he needed to be removed then it should have been up to the relevant authorities to do that, not some passenger on a train who thinks he can take matters into his own hands in to be honest, what looks like an attempt to show off to everybody else on the train.

At the end of the day the 19 year old didn't exert any physical force or violence himself and so the 'big man' had no right to either...and the use of bad language doesn't automatically mean you can do that either, they're not on the same level at all. Oh, and the applause was totally pathetic.

Both are in the wrong here if you ask me.

He was asked by the conductor to remove himself. Several times.

The gobsh*te was rude and verbally abusive.

If you listen to the vid, there are others who are expressing their displeasure and backing up the conductor.

Moral of the story is: If you want to fare dodge and get caught - don't be dickhead about it.....otherwise you'll find the ones who DO PAY will make sure you get turfed out.

He could have left of his own volition. He chose not to. Therefore he was removed - by force as he was unwilling to leave through choice.

Not a thing wrong here.

This country is too soft with this type of yob - that's the problem.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Snowball

He was asked by the conductor to remove himself. Several times.

The gobsh*te was rude and verbally abusive.

If you listen to the vid, there are others who are expressing their displeasure and backing up the conductor.

Moral of the story is: If you want to fare dodge and get caught - don't be dickhead about it.....otherwise you'll find the ones who DO PAY will make sure you get turfed out.

He could have left of his own volition. He chose not to. Therefore he was removed - by force as he was unwilling to leave through choice.

Not a thing wrong here.

This country is too soft with this type of yob - that's the problem.

Just because he may have spouted some verbal abuse (which if you ask me is stretching that term a bit far, he swore a few times), that doesn't mean someone else can use physical abuse to remove him (again that'd be stretching that term too, physical force more like). The two don't go together and since the guy was never once violent, there is no excuse for anyone else to be violent (of the sort) towards him, other than any relevant authorities that have that power.

He wasn't just escorted out either, the guy dragged and hurled him out, which is totally unnecessary and there's no excuse for it.

An annoyance or not, you don't take things into your own hands - it is none of your business.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Just because he may have spouted some verbal abuse (which if you ask me is stretching that term a bit far, he swore a few times), that doesn't mean someone else can use physical abuse to remove him (again that'd be stretching that term too, physical force more like). The two don't go together and since the guy was never once violent, there is no excuse for anyone else to be violent (of the sort) towards him, other than any relevant authorities that have that power.

He wasn't just escorted out either, the guy dragged and hurled him out, which is totally unnecessary and there's no excuse for it.

An annoyance or not, you don't take things into your own hands - it is none of your business.

Actually Jack, it is MY business: even though I wasn't even on the train. Monies from train fares are liable for taxation, which hits the public purse. If those monies are depleted due to arseholes like this guy: the defecit has to be made up from some other sector. In effect: we ALL pay it.

How much of your hard earned wages go into the pubic purse......

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Snowball

Actually Jack, it is MY business: even though I wasn't even on the train. Monies from train fares are liable for taxation, which hits the public purse. If those monies are depleted due to arseholes like this guy: the defecit has to be made up from some other sector. In effect: we ALL pay it.

How much of your hard earned wages go into the pubic purse......

The words 'straw' and 'clutching' come to mind, seems like a pretty indirect way of saying it is your business to me.

Once again, I don't agree with fare dodging, but the man who seems to think he can take matters into his own hands is also in the wrong. Because no, it isn't any of his business...it is the business of the relevant authorities that would deal with the case properly. Had that have been the case, chances are the 19 year old would have had to have paid up anyway, all that without having been unnecessarily hauled off a train by a fellow customer in the meantime.

[lily.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Still no excuse for this so-called 'big man' to use physical force against him though. Yeah, I'm not denying the 19 year old was clearly in the wrong, but if he needed to be removed then it should have been up to the relevant authorities to do that, not some passenger on a train who thinks he can take matters into his own hands in to be honest, what looks like an attempt to show off to everybody else on the train.

At the end of the day the 19 year old didn't exert any physical force or violence himself and so the 'big man' had no right to either...and the use of bad language doesn't automatically mean you can do that either, they're not on the same level at all. Oh, and the applause was totally pathetic.

Both are in the wrong here if you ask me.

This thread is TL;DR, but I got as far as the first 2 pages, and I totally agree with Jack.

The boy didn't show the right ticket. He cursed at the inspector. Ideally, the inspector should have means to contact the station security or police who would remove the boy from the train, because it was clear to me that the boy wasn't about to remove himself and knew the inspector wouldn't physically remove him. As far as I was previously aware, the rail company regulations state that if an issue like this arises on a train, the journey is not to be held up, but the next station is to be contacted so that security personnel will be waiting there to escort them off. If this is indeed the rules, then the inspector was wasting his time arguing with the boy. He should have taken that action, thus ensuring none of the other passengers were inconvenienced.

The 'big man' probably got pissed off with the boy smart-mouthing the inspector and about having to wait around listening to them arguing, so he got up and chucked him out. I'm sure he probably now regrets this, as he will be charged with assault for his actions, and from what I know of him, he's a decent, law-abiding citizen the rest of the time.

I understand why he did it, and I'm sure a lot of people might have done the same, but it's not right, and he will rightly be charged for it. I expect he'll know that himself though.

So, Jack's last statement about both being in the wrong is accurate in my view.

[Mystic Mock]

The applause was the right thing to do as these bastards need to learn there place,and the way some people are going on you would think that the 19 year old was beaten black and blue.

[Doogle]

To be honest I strongly disagree with dodging the fares. There's no reason to do it. Sure he may not have had money and maybe if I was desperate to get home or something I may have acted the same way he did and boarded the train anyway. Even so though, we all have to pay and if someone does it they should be punished. If I did it I'd feel forever guilty about it. I know so many people don't though. I'm not sure what to think of the applause but I do think he had it coming.

My friend has dodged fares before and it's just as bad as any type of theft, and I was disgusted with him. It's bad because so many people don't get caught.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Bethlehem

The applause was the right thing to do as these bastards need to learn there place,and the way some people are going on you would think that the 19 year old was beaten black and blue.

Originally Posted by Little Donkey

To be honest I strongly disagree with dodging the fares. There's no reason to do it. Sure he may not have had money and maybe if I was desperate to get home or something I may have acted the same way he did and boarded the train anyway. Even so though, we all have to pay and if someone does it they should be punished. If I did it I'd feel forever guilty about it. I know so many people don't though. I'm not sure what to think of the applause but I do think he had it coming.

My friend has dodged fares before and it's just as bad as any type of theft, and I was disgusted with him. It's bad because so many people don't get caught.

Absolutely agree.

If everyone who used trains dodged fare paying - then the train companies would go bust....... then the ones on here who think it's was OTT would be moaning the lack of pubic train services.