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waterhog · 07-02-2012, 10:25 AM

India dose not need our 1.4 billion charity

are we insulted that India don't want our pizza hut,
this delivery is refused, its not help but a peanut.
extreme poverty is rampant and chief,
but pleased be insured to go up is the total in sports relief.
the UK take our defence very seriously,
and for a 3rd world country to spend more, leaves me dolorously.
like Africa, India is the same,
taking our charity is playing the game.
the Indian government don't need to help there nation,
because others will give, even if up or down is inflation.
until we have no homeless or our HHS is not in deficit,
then giving any foreign aid will always leave me split.

(i say get our own ship in order first before we sink - someone has got to disagree with me on this one ?)

_Seth · 07-02-2012, 11:16 AM

No-one cares.

07-02-2012, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by madJOE

India dose not need our 1.4 billion charity

are we insulted that India don't want our pizza hut,
this delivery is refused, its not help but a peanut.
extreme poverty is rampant and chief,
but pleased be insured to go up is the total in sports relief.
the UK take our defence very seriously,
and for a 3rd world country to spend more, leaves me dolorously.
like Africa, India is the same,
taking our charity is playing the game.
the Indian government don't need to help there nation,
because others will give, even if up or down is inflation.
until we have no homeless or our HHS is not in deficit,
then giving any foreign aid will always leave me split.

(i say get our own ship in order first before we sink - someone has got to disagree with me on this one ?)

That's just ****ing ignorant.

We raped India and Africa in times gone by for their resources, and made slaves of their peoples.

We all share the same planet. What kind of world is it that unless people live on the plot of earth then they can go **** themselves?

fruit_cake · 07-02-2012, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

That's just ****ing ignorant.

We raped India and Africa in times gone by for their resources, and made slaves of their peoples.

We all share the same planet. What kind of world is it that unless people live on the plot of earth then they can go **** themselves?

With respect Mr Christ, I don't remember raping India or Africa. I didn't make a slave of their peoples either.

I do agree with the second bit though. It seems to me that private property really needs to be redistributed proportionately, I find it profoundly disturbing that some people can own 200000 homes and meanwhile other people live in the streets. I'm not really sure what to do about it though.

07-02-2012, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by fruit_cake

With respect Mr Christ, I don't remember raping India or Africa. I didn't make a slave of their peoples either.

I do agree with the second bit though. It seems to me that private property really needs to be redistributed proportionately, I find it profoundly disturbing that some people can own 200000 homes and meanwhile other people live in the streets. I'm not really sure what to do about it though.

We have a responsibility to others in the world, and historically we have been an appalling empire. We have to compensate for that. I also wasn't around when we were enslaving people, but I understand the historical context behind it. We have done a lot of bad things in India as a nation, and helping them out now is the least we can do.

Nationality is purely an accident of birth, and we should define our species by the way we treat those that have the least amongst us.

Kizzy · 07-02-2012, 11:31 AM

humanitarian aid is a touchy subject with the state of the world at the moment. The UN have agreed to aid developing countries as part of the millenium development partnership to end world poverty, so its not just us paying and its not just india recieving. The size of the payment is dependant on GDP, its a bit confusing.

Kizzy · 07-02-2012, 12:05 PM

Its not a question of haves and have nots, or giving for the sins of our forefathers, its just maintaining good relations with the world. Keeping trade and communication with developing countries is mutually beneficial.

Livia · 07-02-2012, 12:32 PM

While we were "raping" these countries, we were also building an infrastructure and giving them a system of government they still use today. They have also had the benefit of being able to claim a British passports for generations. How long do we, as a nation, have to pay for something that happened lifetimes ago? I didn't receive a penny piece from the Raj. The Romans raped Great Britain for centuries. I look forward to receiving some cash from Italy in the near future, or maybe that's past the cut-off point for getting some free cash? The Vikings then? Or maybe the Normans?

We are borrowing money to hand to India while there are more millionaires in Mumbai than there are in Texas. Let them feed their own starving and allow us to look after our own people.

07-02-2012, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

While we were "raping" these countries, we were also building an infrastructure and giving them a system of government they still use today. They have also had the benefit of being able to claim a British passports for generations. How long do we, as a nation, have to pay for something that happened lifetimes ago? I didn't receive a penny piece from the Raj. The Romans raped Great Britain for centuries. I look forward to receiving some cash from Italy in the near future, or maybe that's past the cut-off point for getting some free cash? The Vikings then? Or maybe the Normans?

We are borrowing money to hand to India while there are more millionaires in Mumbai than there are in Texas. Let them feed their own starving and allow us to look after our own people.

Our appalling treatment of India is still very recent, and all that infrastructure we set up? That was for our benefit, not theirs.

Their own billionaires should help more, but they aren't, so I'm not comfortable standing by and just being thankful it's not on my doorstep. Even if a British person had not set foot on a specific part of the globe, I'd still be in favour of helping, but where we have left our ****ty footprint? Then we need to help clear up the mess.

Livia · 07-02-2012, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Our appalling treatment of India is still very recent, and all that infrastructure we set up? That was for our benefit, not theirs.

Their own billionaires should help more, but they aren't, so I'm not comfortable standing by and just being thankful it's not on my doorstep. Even if a British person had not set foot on a specific part of the globe, I'd still be in favour of helping, but where we have left our ****ty footprint? Then we need to help clear up the mess.

If you feel so strongly, feel free to donate to Oxfam - a good British institution.

How come we're the only country who has to continue to lash ourself about stuff that happened so long ago?

If India was starving, if there weren't so many multi-millionaires and billionaires there, if their economy wasn't MASSIVE, then I'd probably agree something has to be done. However, when they have a space programme and are still holding out their hand to the UK and holding us responsible for their poor, then something is wrong with them. The real trouble is that the class system in India is twenty times worse than the good-old British class system and the high-caste Indians have no interest in their own poor people.

MTVN · 07-02-2012, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

If you feel so strongly, feel free to donate to Oxfam - a good British institution.

How come we're the only country who has to continue to lash ourself about stuff that happened so long ago?

If India was starving, if there weren't so many multi-millionaires and billionaires there, if their economy wasn't MASSIVE, then I'd probably agree something has to be done. However, when they have a space programme and are still holding out their hand to the UK and holding us responsible for their poo, then something is wrong with them. The real trouble is that the class system in India is twenty times worse than the good-old british class system and the high-caste Indians have no interest in their own poor people.

Yeah you do have a point, there's not much point chucking money away if it isn't being put to good use, the problems are too ingrained for them to be solved by a bit of foreign aid from the UK

Livia · 07-02-2012, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

Yeah you do have a point, there's not much point chucking money away if it isn't being put to good use, the problems are too ingrained for them to be solved by a bit of foreign aid from the UK

Exactly. I'm all for helping people. I donate myself when there's a crisis, but India's taking the p*ss. The government gives us all this spin about aiding India and therefore benefiting from trade agreements. Then India spends billions of pounds on fighter jets - not from us, but from France who give them virtually nothing in aid.

07-02-2012, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

If you feel so strongly, feel free to donate to Oxfam - a good British institution.

How come we're the only country who has to continue to lash ourself about stuff that happened so long ago?

If India was starving, if there weren't so many multi-millionaires and billionaires there, if their economy wasn't MASSIVE, then I'd probably agree something has to be done. However, when they have a space programme and are still holding out their hand to the UK and holding us responsible for their poor, then something is wrong with them. The real trouble is that the class system in India is twenty times worse than the good-old British class system and the high-caste Indians have no interest in their own poor people.

I actually give both my time and money to St. Basils and Shelter homeless organisations.

I feel we have a responsibility because of our colonial past, but that isn't my prime reason for believing we should help.

As I've already stated, we should be judged by how we treat those that have the least. I'm aware that India has a space program, but they aren't the only hypocrites in world politics. Why do we have science departments when we also have debt and deficits?

Why is Osbourne looking to ease the burden on our own millionaires in our country by looking to cut our top tax bracket, when we have homelessness and poverty?

Livia · 07-02-2012, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

I actually give both my time and money to St. Basils and Shelter homeless organisations.

I feel we have a responsibility because of our colonial past, but that isn't my prime reason for believing we should help.

As I've already stated, we should be judged by how we treat those that have the least. I'm aware that India has a space program, but they aren't the only hypocrites in world politics. Why do we have science departments when we also have debt and deficits?

Why is Osbourne looking to ease the burden on our own millionaires in our country by looking to cut our top tax bracket, when we have homelessness and poverty?

I don't think you can equate the poor in India with our own poor. Having been to India a couple of times and seen the squalor for myself, and also seen the opulent, sumputous comfort of some of the more well-off, not the actual wealthy, I think trying to equate our own situation with theirs is not an argument that has legs.

I'm not saying we shouldn't help in a crisis, I know that a lot of people, myself included, donate in a crisis - famine, drought, earthquake etc. - but the ongoing desperate poverty of its own people is something India must try to tackle itself now that its financial position has changed.

Kazanne · 07-02-2012, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

While we were "raping" these countries, we were also building an infrastructure and giving them a system of government they still use today. They have also had the benefit of being able to claim a British passports for generations. How long do we, as a nation, have to pay for something that happened lifetimes ago? I didn't receive a penny piece from the Raj. The Romans raped Great Britain for centuries. I look forward to receiving some cash from Italy in the near future, or maybe that's past the cut-off point for getting some free cash? The Vikings then? Or maybe the Normans?

We are borrowing money to hand to India while there are more millionaires in Mumbai than there are in Texas. Let them feed their own starving and allow us to look after our own people.

THIS^ well said Livia

arista · 07-02-2012, 12:38 PM

India can Fund their own Poor.

We Must stop funding that Rich Nation.

Fact

arista · 07-02-2012, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

India can Fund their own Poor.

We Must stop funding that Rich Nation.

Fact

India Is a Rich Nation.

"Britain WILL keep giving millions in aid to India says Downing Street
, even though the country has said 'We don’t want it – it's peanuts"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1ljpjeVyC

Kizzy · 07-02-2012, 01:00 PM

its not down to our colonial past, try to look at the bigger picture... the UNITED Nations, the WORLD Health Organisation. Yes some governments are corrupt...but should the rest of the world sit back and see millions die?

07-02-2012, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by kizzy

its not down to our colonial past, try to look at the bigger picture... the UNITED Nations, the WORLD Health Organisation. Yes some governments are corrupt...but should the rest of the world sit back and see millions die?

I agree. I was just making the point that we are more than innocent bystanders in this issue.

MTVN · 07-02-2012, 01:11 PM

I don't really get the "sort our own country out first" argument, it's like refusing to help somebody who's dying in the street because you're more concerned about a small cut on your knee

Livia · 07-02-2012, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

I don't really get the "sort our own country out first" argument, it's like refusing to help somebody who's dying in the street because you're more concerned about a small cut on your knee

Don't you think India must bear some responsibility for itself? Doesn't it disgust you that we are borrowing money to give to India because we are blackmailed into feeling guilty for their poor, when their own rich people do nothing to help solve their own problem?