[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-18152002

A mother has been found guilty of the manslaughter of her teenage daughter's 21-year-old boyfriend.

The Old Bailey heard that Gedu Bibi, 47, of Walthamstow, east London, disapproved of Sumon Miah's relationship with her daughter, 13.

The jury heard Bibi lured him to her house in October 2006 after she was incensed when she saw topless photos of her daughter on his phone.

Mr Miah was then hit on the head with a chair leg. He died nine days later.

Bibi was also found guilty of perverting the course of justice after she told her daughter Shuhina Khanam to tell police that he had come at her with a knife, and she hit him to defend herself.

Her younger brother Fhalak, then 12, was told to back up the story, the court heard.

Although there were discrepancies in the two children's accounts, police had no witnesses to contradict what they said.

The court also heard that family members had claimed that Mr Miah had made abusive phone calls to Shuhina and left her too scared to go to school.

Bibi's former lover, Lilu Miah, 48, who was charged with murder and manslaughter in relation to the case, was cleared of these charges at the Old Bailey however he was found guilty of perverting the course of justice.

The case remained inactive until 2010 when a family friend of Lilu Miah - Monor Uddin - came forward with information.

The manslaughter "may" be undersood within context, but the manipulation of her other children to protect herself and place the guilt on the victim is indefensible .....

[Kizzy]

I disagree..... Following the recent grooming cases I feel the mother may have been trying to protect her daughter from further abuse.
There are many reasons she may have tried to cover the crime. Fear of community or cultural reprisal, lack of faith in the legal system?

[Omah]

Originally Posted by kizzy

I disagree..... Following the recent grooming cases I feel the mother may have been trying to protect her daughter from further abuse.
There are many reasons she may have tried to cover the crime. Fear of community or cultural reprisal, lack of faith in the legal system?

There may be "reasons", but it is morally right in our "law-abiding" society to teach your children to lie ?

[Livia]

The recent "grooming cases" have been (predominantly) Pakistani men grooming white girls. I don't think that can be used as an excuse in this case. Her 13 year old was dating and posing topless for her boyfriend, doesn't smack of a desprately protective mother to me.

[Kizzy]

I am well aware of the recent ''grooming cases'' thankyou livia. I think you will find if you research more than the one well publicised case that not all victims in every case are white.
What the children in those cases and this case have in common is the fact they believed they were '' dating '' their abusers.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by kizzy

I am well aware of the recent ''grooming cases'' thankyou livia. I think you will find if you research more than the one well publicised case that not all victims in every case are white.
What the children in those cases and this case have in common is the fact they believed they were '' dating '' their abusers.

No need for the attitude and the sarcasm, Kizzy. By "researching the case", I take it you mean is Googling it and reading stuff on the Internet. Anyway, it's a bit of a knee-jerk to automatically assume that the cases are related.

The bottom line is, you can't take the law into your own hands or you get banged up for it, no matter how noble your motives.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

No need for the attitude and the sarcasm, Kizzy. By "researching the case", I take it you mean is Googling it and reading stuff on the Internet. Anyway, it's a bit of a knee-jerk to automatically assume that the cases are related.

The bottom line is, you can't take the law into your own hands or you get banged up for it, no matter how noble your motives.

Just stop. I am not getting into this with you livia.
If you can't keep to the issue in discussion don't quote me again please.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Just stop. I am not getting into this with you livia.
If you can't keep to the issue in discussion don't quote me again please.

Actually, you quoted ME with the "I am well aware thank you Livia..." nonsense. My initial post referring to what you said wasn't at all sarcastic. I am quite happy to ignore you in future, if you can do me the same courtesy. In fact, I'm going to put you on ignore so I can't even see you. Please don't quote me anymore.

And back on topic...

The court decided she was guilty. They'd have heard an awful lot of stuff that isn't in that article. I'm happy to go with what they decided.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Actually, you quoted ME with the "I am well aware thank you Livia..." nonsense. My initial post referring to what you said wasn't at all sarcastic. I am quite happy to ignore you in future, if you can do me the same courtesy. In fact, I'm going to put you on ignore so I can't even see you. Please don't quote me anymore.

And back on topic...

The court decided she was guilty. They'd have heard an awful lot of stuff that isn't in that article. I'm happy to go with what they decided.

Fine with me livia.

[Niamh.]

hhmmm, this one isn't very black and white, I can understand how angry the mother must have been, especially when her daughter is only 13. She should have reported the man to the police though

[Kizzy]

Well well a moral dilemma... What is more immoral? lying... or child abuse?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Well well a moral dilemma... What is more immoral? lying... or child abuse?

hhhmmm that's a tough one.......... still though, the mother actually premeditated the murder, she really should have gone to the Police and reported him for paedophilia instead of killing him.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

hhhmmm that's a tough one.......... still though, the mother actually premeditated the murder, she really should have gone to the Police and reported him for paedophilia instead of killing him.

Thing is, IF he even got sentenced or anything chances are he would be out in a couple of years.

I cant imagine the rage I would feel if I found out my 13 year old daughter was seeing a paedophile. I'm pretty sure a chance of him getting a few years in jail wouldnt cut it for me. People will argue that it was willingly, but I dont think at that age children know what they want, and even if they do, for someone 21 to be getting their jollies with a 13 year old is sick.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Thing is, IF he even got sentenced or anything chances are he would be out in a couple of years.

I cant imagine the rage I would feel if I found out my 13 year old daughter was seeing a paedophile. I'm pretty sure a chance of him getting a few years in jail wouldnt cut it for me. People will argue that it was willingly, but I dont think at that age children know what they want, and even if they do, for someone 21 to be getting their jollies with a 13 year old is sick.

Yeah, I know, I can't even begin to imagine how angry you would be if you found that out about your own child.........look my daughter is 12 and it's turning my stomach even trying to put myself in her situation tbh :/

[Omah]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Well well a moral dilemma... What is more immoral? lying... or child abuse?

No moral dilemma. Child abuse is wrong. Manslaughter is wrong. Lying is wrong.

Whatever her "reasons", she should have reported the matter to the police and she should NOT have taken the law into her own hands.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Omah

No moral dilemma. Child abuse is wrong. Manslaughter is wrong. Lying is wrong.

Whatever her "reasons", she should have reported the matter to the police and she should NOT have taken the law into her own hands.

I agree Omah, but as we are not fully aware of the facts surrounding WHY she did what she did.
Like niamh said its not that black and white, its up to the courts to weigh it up.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by kizzy

I agree Omah, but as we are not fully aware of the facts surrounding WHY she did what she did.
Like niamh said its not that black and white, its up to the courts to weigh it up.

The jury is not concerned with why she did it, just if she did it.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Omah

The jury is not concerned with why she did it, just if she did it.

It will affect sentencing though, I think they will class it as mitigating circumstances...I just googled that

[Kizzy]

You are right niamh that would seem the sensible thing to do, we can only guess at why she didn't. I suggested a couple of reasons, we all say if that happened to me I would kill the twonk...But my guess is I would probably go to the police... haha.

[Vicky.]

In short I agree she should be punished although I understand her reasons (I very much disagree with her getting her kids to lie to cover it up though) but I dare say I would likely have done something quite similar had I been in that situation...and taken the punishment gladly.

[thesheriff443]

society is made up of many cultures some have no problem with there kids being married off to men that can abuse them.
another child abuser is dead thats a good thing
and the mother in the eyes of the law will be punished for her crime so its all good.

[Kizzy]

Well I guess thats one way of looking at it...

[Redway]

This is a tricky one and I shall have a think about it before I post...