[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

carried on from the other thread

this has probably been done before but w/e I CBA TO LOOK FOR THE THREAD IF IT HAS

discuss

[Redway]

No. If the said person was really in that much pain then I would respect them for that.

[Niall]

Not at all. If someone tries to commit suicide then they're obviously not well. They just need help. Well for most cases anyway.

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Niall

Not at all. If someone tries to commit suicide then they're obviously not well. They just need help. Well for most cases anyway.

I meant this for like people committing due to psychological problems.

If someone is obviously in pain for their every waking moment then obviously they should be allowed to choose whether or not they want to pull the plug on themselves. It is their body after all.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

ok i dont think it is selfish because if a person is suffering a lot (not psychically but mentally) then they should be allowed to die

also i think it is really cruel for people to say it is selfish

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by Scott

also i think it is really cruel for people to say it is selfish

That's your prerogative, but I don't necessarily think you should judge others for their beliefs.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

That's your prerogative, but I don't necessarily think you should judge others for their beliefs.

but people saying they find it selfish are judging people that do it

practice what you preach and all that

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

That's your prerogative, but I don't necessarily think you should judge others for their beliefs.

That's what he just did. He said I think...he didn't 'judge others based on their beliefs', as you put it.

[Patrick]

People say 'They should of thought of their family and friends'

No.
Maybe their family and friends should of been there for them in the first place.

Originally Posted by Scott

ok i dont think it is selfish because if a person is suffering a lot (not psychically but mentally) then they should be allowed to die

also i think it is really cruel for people to say it is selfish

[Mrluvaluva]

I believe so yes. The thoughts of others are not taken into account. I know it can arise from mental health issues, and someone has to be very desperate to do so, but for the whole it is the easy way out, and family and friends have to live with that for the rest of their lives.

[King Gizzard]

Threatening to do it without no real intention is selfish..people who desperately need help and will do it, no

It's selfish as in friends and family having to cope with it all but if the person doesn't have any relatives (and that's probably a main reason why they've done it) then no, itisn't

[Saph]

I don't think its selfish

[joeysteele]

It would seem to be I guess but I personally think it must take as much courage to do it as it would to step back from it,especially when your mind is in turmoil, you are likely an emotional mess, you are wrecked from likely not sleeping at all and not eating right too.

So I would never judge someone who commits suicide, all I do know is I have come across people who really appeared to want to do it, who planned it carefully and barely raised any suspicion that they were going to.
That was learned after they had tried to, and all pointers pointed to that they were serious about it and went about in a full way. however they were found in time, mostly by accident, and once the right care and help was there, most are really happy they were saved and didn't succeed.

I personally wouldn't say selfish in the full meaning of the word but that can be how it is perceived by family, friends and others when it happens.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

i think its awful that people even consider the feelings of friends/relatives

like if one persons suffering is so great that they literally cannot cope and want to die i actually think its more selfish for people to say 'oh but think about your friends/family' etc

i kinda think its like people with terminal illnesses that want to die sometimes mental illness is just as bad

[Redway]

Scott, this is like the first time you've actually engaged yourself in a serious debate

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by Scott

i think its awful that people even consider the feelings of friends/relatives

like if one persons suffering is so great that they literally cannot cope and want to die i actually think its more selfish for people to say 'oh but think about your friends/family' etc

i kinda think its like people with terminal illnesses that want to die sometimes mental illness is just as bad

And how do you think a child would feel if it was their mother or father?

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

And how do you think a child would feel if it was their mother or father?

devastated and maybe knowing that would stop a mother/father from doing it

idk but i think if the person wants to die and they have thought it through so its not like a random impulsive thing say after an argument or something then they should still do it

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by Scott

but people saying they find it selfish are judging people that do it

practice what you preach and all that

That's an opinion Scott. If you don't think it's selfish, that's your belief. I don't call you cruel for that do I?

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

That's an opinion Scott. If you don't think it's selfish, that's your belief. I don't call you cruel for that do I?

As I said, he himself has said numerous times throughout this thread the phrase 'I think' - which suggests that he is offering his opinion. Take the hint.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by Redway

As I said, he himself has said numerous times throughout this thread the phrase 'I think' - which suggests that he is offering his opinion. Take the hint.

Well obviously we are all discussing our thoughts, so no need for attitude.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

Well obviously we are all discussing our thoughts, so no need for attitude.

I wasn't having a go - I just pointed out that there's no need repeatedly telling Scott that's just his opinion when that's exactly what he said.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by Redway

I wasn't having a go - I just pointed out that there's no need repeatedly telling Scott that's just his opinion when that's exactly what he said.

Repeatedly? I was responding to his post stating that he thought people were cruel who thought such people were selfish. Different people have different experiences and different beliefs. All I was saying is do not judge people for thinking as such. I don't need to be told "practice what you preach" from Scott or to "take the hint".

[BizarreCharisma]

I don't think anyone has the right to call suicide 'selfish' until they've experienced being suicidal, I'd say I've been close to it at some point but still I don't have a right to talk about it because my uncle killed himself and he was dealing with schizophrenia for like 15 years, and the voices in his head were literally ruining his life.

He killed himself in 2008 and I miss him a lot, but in a way I can understand why he couldn't go on.

Tbh it's more selfish of someone like me to say my uncle was selfish to take his own life when I know F all about what he went through.

[Shaun]

Yes, but then so is expecting your depressed relative/friend/loved one to keep living if they want to end it all.

[GypsyGoth]

If a crab killed themselves it would be shellfish of them.