[the truth]

sorry but the golden age of british cinema seems light years away to me
I know the meda tells us otherwise but I dont buy it

british output seems to have been limited and stale for decades, yes we produce some great actors, but overall our output is poor.

over the past 50 years theres been a few classics , such as the name of the father, dr strangelove, alfie, zulu, saturday night sunday morning, ladykillers, the hill, italion job, my left foot, remains of the day, loads of the bond movies , or quirky maverick movies like billy elliott, twin town or trainspotting etc

but in the past decade or more ? classics? ummmm............

There seems to be a dearth of scripts and commitment to story, maybe with the collapse of industry we have lost our characters, our stories and our mojo

Sorry but a few harry potters doesnt do it for me? I dont like daniel craig as bond either but Im in a minority there, so wheres the great british films?

meanhile the yanks churn out 100s of movies,yes turkeys too but they still produce a huge cross section of great movies....why?

[Munchkins]

Carry on Films>Life

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Munchkins

Carry on Films>Life

yes the characters in those films were genuinely brilliant comic actors like kenneth williams, sid james, charles hawtrey, hattie jacques, joan sims, babs, jim dale, peter butterworth, bernard bresslaw, kenneth connor, jack douglas, terry scott, leslie phillips etc

when they tried to remake them decades later with julian clary is was a idsaster....somehow the beautiful zany innocence was lost and the new lot were more cynical and elf conscious, an example of the decay of british cinema imo...I just cant put my finger on where the greatness went?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

yes the characters in those films were genuinely brilliant comic actors like kenneth williams, sid james, charles hawtrey, hattie jacques, joan sims, babs, jim dale, peter butterworth, bernard bresslaw, kenneth connor, jack douglas, terry scott, leslie phillips etc

when they tried to remake them decades later with julian clary is was a idsaster....somehow the beautiful zany innocence was lost and the new lot were more cynical and elf conscious, an example of the decay of british cinema imo...I just cant put my finger on where the greatness went?

The 'comic strip presents' comedians Ade Edmonson, Dawn French, Rik Mayall, Jennifer Saunders and others Stephen Fry, Hugh Laurie and Rowan Atkinson were all great too, as was the writing of Ben Elton.
I totally agree that comedy took a nosedive when it went from cheeky to sleazy

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The 'comic strip presents' comedians Ade Edmonson, Dawn French, Rik Mayall, Jennifer Saunders and others Stephen Fry, Hugh Laurie and Rowan Atkinson were all great too, as was the writing of Ben Elton.
I totally agree that comedy took a nosedive when it went from cheeky to sleazy

AGREED also lots of brilliant comedy all over the place with morecombe and wise, porridge, steptoe and son, fawlty towers, blackadder, then partridge, day today, etc a lot of it is simply mean spirited now, I consider people jimmy carr vermin.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

AGREED. a lot of it is simply mean spirited now, I consider people jimmy carr vermin.

I really like jimmy haha, my pet hate is Mrs brown! hate that show with a passion

[GypsyGoth]

In the US there is a whole city dedicated to making movies, a lot of the best actors and script writers (including ones from britian) go there because it's where they can make a good living.

[Kizzy]

Funding and the lack of independant film companies now I would say, channel 4 have funded some good british films.
Hollywoodshmollywood

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Funding and the lack of independant film companies now I would say, channel 4 have funded some good british films.
Hollywoodshmollywood

i dont think we can improve british films by jeering hollywood....I think too there is still an elitist class structure in the UK which discourages story tellers and limits opportunities....I mean where are script writers meant to go in the UK? the map is way clearer in the US

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

i dont think we can improve british films by jeering hollywood....I think too there is still an elitist class structure in the UK which discourages story tellers and limits opportunities....I mean where are script writers meant to go in the UK? the map is way clearer in the US

I didn't attempt to
The way is only clearer if you are writing the type of material they are willing to produce?...
It is all down to genres and what is in vogue at the time? otherwise it will struggle to even get read I would think.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I didn't attempt to
The way is only clearer if you are writing the type of material they are willing to produce?...
It is all down to genres and what is in vogue at the time? otherwise it will struggle to even get read I would think.

i dont mean you jeering hollywood i meant british media and talk shows and bitter performers who didnt make it over there bitching to british audiences and playing to them on the anti hollywood schtick..its kind of pathetic imho to see our performers and interviewers slate them so much, when half of them just want to go stateside, especially movie makers......i dont think we back our writers fundamentally thats the problem. were very narrow minded it seems to original stories and writers. whenever i see a british movie bringing in the monarchy i want to cry, its so pathetic. the yanks seem to be able to make great movies out of anything, bee keeping, taxi drivers, muppets , even ants....ANTS for goodness sakes make $90 million.....I truly believe its about the fact they back creative people way way way way more than we do.

[Petershaw1984]

You obviously haven't seen cockney versus zombies

[lostalex]

Because Brits have a funny habit of supporting failures (like people on the dole) and slagging off talented people(who do you think you are?).

It's a very weird culture in the UK.

Basically Brits went from being absolute assholes conquering the world with racism and genocide across the entire planet(aka colonialism), to then just hating themselves and relying on America to do all of their dirty work.

basically, you don't make great movies because you don't have a great history. If Brits really made great movies, they'd start making movies about all of the ******ED up things they did in colonialism.

But British people are not good at self-analysis.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Because Brits have a funny habit of supporting failures (like people on the dole) and slagging off talented people(who do you think you are?).

It's a very weird culture in the UK.

Basically Brits went from being absolute assholes conquering the world with racism and genocide across the entire planet(aka colonialism), to then just hating themselves and relying on America to do all of their dirty work.

basically, you don't make great movies because you don't have a great history. If Brits really made great movies, they'd start making movies about all of the ******ED up things they did in colonialism.

But British people are not good at self-analysis.

Apart from the fact you obviously have anger issues, calm down with the xenophobia.

You talk about being unpopular on here, well it's not helping your cause by being so aggressive.

America is far from perfect and you can't judge a whole country off the attitude of some scumbags from the press.

Personally, I love to support talented and successful people. It's just with the upsurge in the "famous for being famous" rubbish there's a lot less of them to look out for.

I'll skip over your comment about our history considering the last time I had a debate with you about history and the Royal family, you knew very very little facts. You make bold statements about foreigners that hold very little substance. The way you think you know anything about the UK's culture is laughable.

[Saph]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Because Brits have a funny habit of supporting failures (like people on the dole) and slagging off talented people(who do you think you are?).

It's a very weird culture in the UK.

Basically Brits went from being absolute assholes conquering the world with racism and genocide across the entire planet(aka colonialism), to then just hating themselves and relying on America to do all of their dirty work.

basically, you don't make great movies because you don't have a great history. If Brits really made great movies, they'd start making movies about all of the ******ED up things they did in colonialism.

But British people are not good at self-analysis.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by lostalex

basically, you don't make great movies because you don't have a great history.

Typical Yank, Ignorant as ******

[Kizzy]

Why is every film atm about vampires or zombies?..

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Why is every film atm about vampires or zombies?..

name 2 movies in your local theater that are about vampires or zombies. no movies out right now are about vampires or zombies, so wtf are you talking about?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

name 2 movies in your local theater that are about vampires or zombies. no movies out right now are about vampires or zombies, so wtf are you talking about?

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/genres/...id=vampire.htm

http://www.toptenbestfilms.com/2012/...ie-movies.html

[Glenn.]

-reads lostalexs post-

-laughs-

-leaves thread-

[Kizzy]

Well there's a perfect example of Britishness for you alex, we don't take ourselves too seriously

[Suze]

.....

I don't know. Are they?

If so, at least we have the best theatre, shows, in the UK don't we? and the cream of Classical actors/actresses who I guess prefer working theatre than films maybe?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Suze

.....

I don't know. Are they?

If so, at least we have the best theatre, shows, in the UK don't we? and the cream of Classical actors/actresses who I guess prefer working theatre than films maybe?

we produce great stage actors and many great actors....but we do not produce enough greta movies, nor do we seem to produce enough writers considering our culture and history. we invented the language and all the other ancient british languages too....we get the one off like JK Rowling, but she makes £600 million and 99% of the other writers make nothing at all?
wheres the balance and opportunity in this country? we seem to have a really stupid ill thought out system for aspiring writers


so we brits should surely offer more opportunities to british writers....the pathway to screenwriting, script writing, playwriting, novelists etc is a mess in the UK....if youre famous or tacky you have a chance....whereas in america a guy like stallone with no education and poor grammar walks into universal pictures with a rocky script and leaves with $1 million and a chance to play the role of a lifetime

not sure if america is always the land of opportunity, but the UK certainly is not.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

we produce great stage actors and many great actors....but we do not produce enough greta movies, nor do we seem to produce enough writers considering our culture and history. we invented the language and all the other ancient british languages too....we get the one off like JK Rowling, but she makes £600 million and 99% of the other writers make nothing at all?
wheres the balance and opportunity in this country? we seem to have a really stupid ill thought out system for aspiring writers


so we brits should surely offer more opportunities to british writers....the pathway to screenwriting, script writing, playwriting, novelists etc is a mess in the UK....if youre famous or tacky you have a chance....whereas in america a guy like stallone with no education and poor grammar walks into universal pictures with a rocky script and leaves with $1 million and a chance to play the role of a lifetime

not sure if america is always the land of opportunity, but the UK certainly is not.

That's not really a good example though. Thousands upon thousands upon thousands of actors/writers/producers etc from all over the world flock to Hollywood to "make it" and only a very slim % do. It's far from "easy".

[smeagol]

the best gangster movies are british no one does those better. we make the american stuff look tame compared and of course period drama movies. though no doubt all made with american cash.