[arista]

in Manchester

Karen Brady spoke before the Chancellor
had his go.

['Battle to turn Britain around is not over':
Osborne's warning as he vows to get a grip
on nation's finances and freeze fuel duty
Chancellor cautions that family finances
will not improve overnight
He rejected Labour's dangerous plan to
'fix prices and confiscate wealth'
No rise in fuel duty before election if
savings can be found
New £300m 'work for the dole' scheme
to launch within 6 months
Benefits claimants will have to do 30
hours a week in a work placement ]


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2gO1ypagO


Now Vicky
I know you do not want the slackers to get
off their ass.
But many want this brought in.
Getting Tax Payers money given to
the non workers to doss - Stinks

[Kizzy]

Shocking!! 'confiscate wealth'?
what on earth does that mean... that everyone should just roll over and accept the energy hikes?
What about the 'wage confiscation' have no issue with that do they?....

Here's a poser for you, if there are all these positions in companies of 30hrs PW, why the hell are they not filling those positions with paid employees to get people off the dole?...
I missed the conference thank god or I would have a broken foot and a smashed TV by now!

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Shocking!! 'confiscate wealth'?
what on earth does that mean... that everyone should just roll over and accept the energy hikes?
What about the 'wage confiscation' have no issue with that do they?....

Here's a poser for you, if there are all these positions in companies of 30hrs PW, why the hell are they not filling those positions with paid employees to get people off the dole?...
I missed the conference thank god or I would have a broken foot and a smashed TV by now!

Catch Ch4News 7PM
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No Kizzy no need to smash anything



"George Osborne announces freeze
on fuel duty until 2015"

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...budget-surplus

[Vicky.]

New £300m 'work for the dole' scheme
to launch within 6 months
Benefits claimants will have to do 30
hours a week in a work placement

LOL at this. Not surprising though.

So basically, our unemployed numbers/benefit bill will stay the same even though some will be in (nearly) fulltimework. But its gunna cost us an extra 300m to fund it, and no money will be saved by anyone besides the companies taking on free staff (which in turn will lead to them laying off present staff)

You have to laugh at this lot tbh. Surely you cant even see the point of this arista?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by arista

in Manchester

Karen Brady spoke before the Chancellor
had his go.

['Battle to turn Britain around is not over':
Osborne's warning as he vows to get a grip
on nation's finances and freeze fuel duty
Chancellor cautions that family finances
will not improve overnight
He rejected Labour's dangerous plan to
'fix prices and confiscate wealth'
No rise in fuel duty before election if
savings can be found
New £300m 'work for the dole' scheme
to launch within 6 months
Benefits claimants will have to do 30
hours a week in a work placement ]


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2gO1ypagO


Now Vicky
I know you do not want the slackers to get
off their ass.
But many want this brought in.
Getting Tax Payers money given to
the non workers to doss - Stinks

Slackers?

And now, more taxpayers money is just going to be spent on this ridiculous scheme that will lead to MORE unemployment, how does this help things?

Best way to get 'slackers' off their arses, is to create PAID jobs for them. I love how you seem to think I support people who chose not to work. Thats not the case, I just realise how small a minority they are and refuse to demonize those who DO want to work because of the actions of a few. Forgive me for not being a sheep and having a daily mail style attitude to those less fortunate than I

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Slackers?

And now, more taxpayers money is just going to be spent on this ridiculous scheme that will lead to MORE unemployment, how does this help things?

Best way to get 'slackers' off their arses, is to create PAID jobs for them. I love how you seem to think I support people who chose not to work. Thats not the case, I just realise how small a minority they are and refuse to demonize those who DO want to work because of the actions of a few. Forgive me for not being a sheep and having a daily mail style attitude to those less fortunate than I

There are not Jobs around at this time. (but soon they will come)
So cleaning a river
is better than slacking.


Its Not Demonizing
Never mind the daily mail
check every news (TV and Radio) on the Hour.


Feel The Force.

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by arista

There are not Jobs around at this time. (but soon they will come)
So cleaning a river
is better than slacking.


Its Not Demonizing
Never mind the daily mail
check every news (TV and Radio) on the Hour.


Feel The Force.

If there aren't jobs around at this time why are you assuming that people who can't find jobs are slackers...as opposed to people who cannot find jobs because there aren't any around at this time?

If cleaning a river is better than slacking, why not pay people to do it?

If the rivers need cleaning...and there is a pool of unemployed people to do the job - then pay them a fair wage to do it.



God it's so ****ing depressing. We are voluntarily and with eyes wide open removing all the safety nets and systems put in place across several generations. And the class that most need them (maybe not this moment, but life can throw a spanner in the works at any time) are baying for more cuts.

None of this is in the interests of the country as a whole. It benefits the employer class only. That's it. If there are no safety nets in place, if the idea of being out of work is so horrifying and scary that it keeps you awake at night, then you will suck it up when your boss treats you like ****. You'll take every deprivation, every zero hour contract, every pay freeze, every unpaid hour of overtime, every employer abuse and stay silent. No strikes, no standing up for yourself, no agitating for better conditions.

The tory dream has nothing to do with making this country better for the masses. Anybody with an income below £100k per year and without property, stocks and shares who votes for this **** is just a turkey voting for Christmas.

But ohhhhhh no. No, we can't bear the unfairness of our tax money paying for shirkers and skivers and curtain tuggers, and single mums and families who decided to have too many children. Oh how unfair, we rail. How unfair. I have to work and I can't have a big house for me andmy two children so why should they have a big house for their six? And how unfair that I have to work and pay tax so that they don't have to.

Jesus ****ing christ people, are we really buying this **** all over again? My God, these same arguments were dragged out over the Poor Tax and the workhouses. Exactly the same. Practically word for word.

I really want to smash something. Or I want to cry. This stuff doesn't just depress me it frightens me. I've spent time unemployed. I may do again. I don't own property, I rent. I have no savings, never had a stable enough income to gather anything together. And my health is intermittently awful. Mum's on a state pension (the lowest kind, as one of that generation of women who ended up on a shared pension with hubby for years before they got divorced), topped up by credits and housing benefits. How long til they shaft her?

I hate them. I hate them so much. And here we are again, with the opinion polls showing support from the working classes for benefit cuts and harsh penalties. Buying the goddamned lie again.

None of this will save the country money. There's the irony. It will, as usual, cost the tax payer more to be cruel than it ever did to be kind.


[eta] It wasn't even the unemployed who broke this country. It wasn't benefits that put us in this situation.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by DanaC

If there aren't jobs around at this time why are you assuming that people who can't find jobs are slackers...as opposed to people who cannot find jobs because there aren't any around at this time?

If cleaning a river is better than slacking, why not pay people to do it?

If the rivers need cleaning...and there is a pool of unemployed people to do the job - then pay them a fair wage to do it.



God it's so ****ing depressing. We are voluntarily and with eyes wide open removing all the safety nets and systems put in place across several generations. And the class that most need them (maybe not this moment, but life can throw a spanner in the works at any time) are baying for more cuts.

None of this is in the interests of the country as a whole. It benefits the employer class only. That's it. If there are no safety nets in place, if the idea of being out of work is so horrifying and scary that it keeps you awake at night, then you will suck it up when your boss treats you like ****. You'll take every deprivation, every zero hour contract, every pay freeze, every unpaid hour of overtime, every employer abuse and stay silent. No strikes, no standing up for yourself, no agitating for better conditions.

The tory dream has nothing to do with making this country better for the masses. Anybody with an income below £100k per year and without property, stocks and shares who votes for this **** is just a turkey voting for Christmas.

But ohhhhhh no. No, we can't bear the unfairness of our tax money paying for shirkers and skivers and curtain tuggers, and single mums and families who decided to have too many children. Oh how unfair, we rail. How unfair. I have to work and I can't have a big house for me andmy two children so why should they have a big house for their six? And how unfair that I have to work and pay tax so that they don't have to.

Jesus ****ing christ people, are we really buying this **** all over again? My God, these same arguments were dragged out over the Poor Tax and the workhouses. Exactly the same. Practically word for word.

I really want to smash something. Or I want to cry. This stuff doesn't just depress me it frightens me. I've spent time unemployed. I may do again. I don't own property, I rent. I have no savings, never had a stable enough income to gather anything together. And my health is intermittently awful. Mum's on a state pension (the lowest kind, as one of that generation of women who ended up on a shared pension with hubby for years before they got divorced), topped up by credits and housing benefits. How long til they shaft her?

I hate them. I hate them so much. And here we are again, with the opinion polls showing support from the working classes for benefit cuts and harsh penalties. Buying the goddamned lie again.

None of this will save the country money. There's the irony. It will, as usual, cost the tax payer more to be cruel than it ever did to be kind.


[eta] It wasn't even the unemployed who broke this country. It wasn't benefits that put us in this situation.

I agree with all of this, it scares me. for now, I'm employed and we do fine month to month, but we rent, own no property, have no savings... it's a precarious situation no matter how secure your current income is. We have very little to inherit, too. My parents owned a gorgeous detatched 4 bedroom house - then they got divorced when I was 18, sold up, and blew the money on nothing at all so now they both rent . My partners parents own their nice home too but they had her young: they could easily still be alive when we're 70.

I'm pushing 30, which I know is still young, but I worry that if I don't own property in the next 7 years (by 35), the way things are going, we never will and that scares me looking to the future. There is absolutely no security at all, for normal working families, let alone those who need more help.

[arista]

"Surely you cant even see the point of this arista? "


Lets see if it works first
Many voters want this.

[Vicky.]

Of course it is demonizing..when you have the opinion that all those out of work are slackers

I have held off saying this for a while, but it needs to be said now. With absolute sincerity, I wish redundancy for you in the near future. No-one deserves it more (except Osbourne and IDS)

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Of course it is demonizing..when you have the opinion that all those out of work are slackers

I have held off saying this for a while, but it needs to be said now. With absolute sincerity, I wish redundancy for you in the near future. No-one deserves it more (except Osbourne and IDS)

Not all of them
I never said all of them.


But the Slackers are in Every town
Fact.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by arista

Not all of them
I never said all of them.


But the Slackers are in Every town
Fact.

Of course. But punishing everyone for the actions of a few is unfair. In my opinion it is anyway.

Calling the unemployed 'slackers' in general.comes across as if you mean all.

The most annoying thing in all of this rubbish is, that the serial claimers (or those who are on the sick without being sick too) know EXACTLY how to play the system anyway, so are unlikely to be affected by any of the changes.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Of course. But punishing everyone for the actions of a few is unfair. In my opinion it is anyway.

Calling the unemployed 'slackers' in general.comes across as if you mean all.

The most annoying thing in all of this rubbish is, that the serial claimers (or those who are on the sick without being sick too) know EXACTLY how to play the system anyway, so are unlikely to be affected by any of the changes.

Well I do not mean everyone
but the Slackers are able to work for their benefit.


"the serial claimers "

these are the ones that will be effected

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by arista

Well I do not mean everyone
but the Slackers are able to work for their benefit.


"the serial claimers "

these are the ones that will be effected

They wont though, they will find some way of getting out of it. They always do, hence managing to stay on JSA for 10years+

[Kizzy]

Don't get frustrated vicky, it's not worth it.
If there is an honest days work to be done then they should be an honest (and fairs) days pay at the end of it.
That is the bottom line.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Don't get frustrated vicky, it's not worth it.
If there is an honest days work to be done then they should be an honest (and fairs) days pay at the end of it.
That is the bottom line.

Yeah this pretty much sums up my opinion.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Don't get frustrated vicky, it's not worth it.
If there is an honest days work to be done then they should be an honest (and fairs) days pay at the end of it.
That is the bottom line.

Yes when they are around.
At this time they are not.

[Cherie]

I thought in the news this morning they said that anyone claiming benefits for over two years would be asked to do community work, or sign on each day. What would the point be of putting them in a work placement which could displace a paid worker, also I think what they really need to address is people coming into the country and immediately being able to claim benefits or has this already been addressed?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I thought in the news this morning they said that anyone claiming benefits for over two years would be asked to do community work, or sign on each day. What would the point be of putting them in a work placement which could displace a paid worker, also I think what they really need to address is people coming into the country and immediately being able to claim benefits or has this already been addressed?

no thats not what they want.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

no thats not what they want.

But by default that is exactly what will happen, if you have a procession of claimants all working temporarily, this stops said company from employing any staff via the usual route?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes when they are around.
At this time they are not.

What will the benefit claimants be doing then?.... 'Working' for their benefits it is suggested.
Ergo if they are 'working' for 'benefits' why are they not offered the option of 'working' for a 'wage'?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

What will the benefit claimants be doing then?.... 'Working' for their benefits it is suggested.
Ergo if they are 'working' for 'benefits' why are they not offered the option of 'working' for a 'wage'?

Cleaning a River Bank
for example.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Cleaning a River Bank
for example.

And why is it not possible to employ men legitimately for such a task, via local councils?
They used to have 'community payback' for such tasks, just proves they are treating claimants like criminals.

[arista]

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