[LeatherTrumpet]

• Exit polls have placed the hardline party as the country's most popular
• The ruling socialists appeared to trail well behind with just 14 per cent
• FN leader Marine Le Pen heralded victory for 'sovereign people of France'
• Prime Minister Manuel Valls described result as 'a shock, an earthquake'
• Le Pen called for French parliament to be dissolved to 'control borders'

It was the most striking of a number of successes for far-Right and anti-EU parties. Chillingly, there were signs a neo-Nazi candidate for the NPD party could be elected in Germany, giving the far-Right a foothold for the first time in decades.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz32npdIjIt

[arista]

Yes blame the French Socialist Hollande
for his mess




However
in Greece a Anti Euro Left Wing Party Won

[Aduk]

This is a party known for its anti-Semitic and racist views - so extreme that even Nigel Farage doesn't want to associate with them.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Aduk

This is a party known for its anti-Semitic and racist views - so extreme that even Nigel Farage doesn't want to associate with them.

Yes he is Not Stupid

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Aduk

This is a party known for its anti-Semitic and racist views - so extreme that even Nigel Farage doesn't want to associate with them.

Well not openly at any rate : Scary stuff going on in the world at the moment.

[MTVN]

The Front National's not stupid either, they're going to refuse to work with Golden Dawn and Jobbik in Hungary, they're trying just as hard to try and show they aren't racist as UKIP are

Given the difficulties of the last few years the anti-EU sentiment isn't surprising at all really either

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by MTVN

The Front National's not stupid either, they're going to refuse to work with Golden Dawn and Jobbik in Hungary, they're trying just as hard to try and show they aren't racist as UKIP are

Given the difficulties of the last few years the anti-EU sentiment isn't surprising at all really either

I just can't get over how the media keeps pushing for these two parties though, especially in this country with UKIP where it takes for Labour MP's (who are always gonna sound bitter) to tell some of the public what their other policies are.

[Livia]

For years now, if someone's started a discussion about immigration, a screaming Left has shut them down and branded them racist. We've seen Europe open its borders which has meant an inevitable influx of people into the richest countries from the poorest countries. Here, we've seen people arrive and claim benefits, tax credits, child benefit for kids who don't even live here, free medical care... meanwhile we have people living on the streets, children living in dire poverty, elderly people making the choice of freezing or starving and people denied life-giving healthcare because of the cost. If someone has tried to talk about it they've been called racist, they've been accused of being Daily Mail readers and they've been generally dismissed by a Left who seems committed to the doctrine that the louder you shout, the more insulting you get, the more right you are. No one listened... and this is the result. The Right have a toe-hold now. I hope for all our sakes that discussions are opened up, changes are made and the right don't get both feet on the ladder because that would be a disaster for all of us.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

For years now, if someone's started a discussion about immigration, a screaming Left has shut them down and branded them racist. We've seen Europe open its borders which has meant an inevitable influx of people into the richest countries from the poorest countries. Here, we've seen people arrive and claim benefits, tax credits, child benefit for kids who don't even live here, free medical care... meanwhile we have people living on the streets, children living in dire poverty, elderly people making the choice of freezing or starving and people denied life-giving healthcare because of the cost. If someone has tried to talk about it they've been called racist, they've been accused of being Daily Mail readers and they've been generally dismissed by a Left who seems committed to the doctrine that the louder you shout, the more insulting you get, the more right you are. No one listened... and this is the result. The Right have a toe-hold now. I hope for all our sakes that discussions are opened up, changes are made and the right don't get both feet on the ladder because that would be a disaster for all of us.

Great post.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Livia

For years now, if someone's started a discussion about immigration, a screaming Left has shut them down and branded them racist. We've seen Europe open its borders which has meant an inevitable influx of people into the richest countries from the poorest countries. Here, we've seen people arrive and claim benefits, tax credits, child benefit for kids who don't even live here, free medical care... meanwhile we have people living on the streets, children living in dire poverty, elderly people making the choice of freezing or starving and people denied life-giving healthcare because of the cost. If someone has tried to talk about it they've been called racist, they've been accused of being Daily Mail readers and they've been generally dismissed by a Left who seems committed to the doctrine that the louder you shout, the more insulting you get, the more right you are. No one listened... and this is the result. The Right have a toe-hold now. I hope for all our sakes that discussions are opened up, changes are made and the right don't get both feet on the ladder because that would be a disaster for all of us.

Excellent post.
Perhaps if people were given the same benefits, health care etc here as they would receive in their own country we would see a difference.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Excellent post.
Perhaps if people were given the same benefits, health care etc here as they would receive in their own country we would see a difference.

Unless they're in dire need, for instance, if they fled their country because of war or conflict of some kind and are genuine refugees, then they should have to pay into the system for a period of time before they take something out. It's been a free-for-all for ages, with a small but very vocal lobby telling us that it's right for people to take before putting in. Well, this election result is the result.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

Unless they're in dire need, for instance, if they fled their country because of war or conflict of some kind and are genuine refugees, then they should have to pay into the system for a period of time before they take something out. It's been a free-for-all for ages, with a small but very vocal lobby telling us that it's right for people to take before putting in. Well, this election result is the result.

I can and do agree totally with that.

[Cherie]

mmigrants have contributed Ł25bn to the country in tax – more than they received in state handouts, a study has found.

The report, by University College London, said those who had moved to the UK since 2000 had made a significant boost to public finances.

They were also less likely to claim benefits or live in social housing than British people.

According to the study, between 2000 and 2011, immigrants were 45% less likely to receive handouts than those born in the UK and 3% less likely to live in social housing.

Even when compared to British people the same age and gender, immigrants were still 21% less likely to receive benefits, according to report authors Professor Christian Dustmann and Dr Tommaso Frattini from UCL's Centre for Research and Analysis of Migration.

http://news.sky.com/story/1164087/im...ax-boost-to-uk



I have no problem with people paying into the system before they get anything back and I have no idea why successive governments have not closed that particular loophole.

What is the answer then?

Firstly, we're all descended from immigrants, so categorising them and us is not really that helpful in this situation. I don't think the current methods for dealing with this are perfect, but this thread is a collection of flawed ideals.

We've always had homeless people, and people starving, yet those on the right refuse to increase taxes to pay for things, and continue to strip away the social safety nets that are left.

I saw Cameron on TV the other day after the election, saying that what he learned, was that he needed to do welfare "reform". Now what do people think that actually means? It means taking more money from those that need it the most. I can't take any argument on immigration seriously while the government are doing their best to completely divide and conquer the country by increasing the gap between rich and poor.

So I don't think immigration is perfect, and there are lots of issues to deal with, but the government (this one and the last) are so scared of standing up to their corporate masters, they continue to demonise, attack, and take from the poorest people in the country.

Why not march them through the streets in stocks and let all the Anglo-Saxons throw tomatoes at them?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Bang on right Livia. You see it everytime a debate starts about immigration the left start going on about how immigration has been good and how so and so is actually an immigrant


er stop. Noone has ever said stop ALL immigration - just get it controlled. Of course people who live in poorer countries will come here and work for buttons, but that does not translate into "us brits are too lazy, we wont do the jobs they do"

er no. Go to Poland and offer to work for well below their minimum wage and you will be snapped up. No one said "we better watch or the UK workforce are going to get priced out here" - all you heard was how the Poles etc are hard workers etc and willing to do low paid jobs. If Poland was the same economically as the UK they would not come - we have ended up in some areas subsidising the poor parts of Europe because the labour left were too scared to admit that too many immigrants are bad.

[arista]

"Why not march them through the streets in stocks and let all the Anglo-Saxons throw tomatoes at them? "


No Burger King uses Tomatoes
how dare you say waste them

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by arista

"Why not march them through the streets in stocks and let all the Anglo-Saxons throw tomatoes at them? "


No Burger King uses Tomatoes
how dare you say waste them

Are they Kent tomatoes?

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Are they Kent tomatoes?

Yes from the Massive Kent Farm factory

[Kizzy]

I don't believe giving the far right a platform in the UK is a positive step, historically it begins this way with seeds of doubt and the shifting of attitudes towards marginalised groups... Where will it end? I suggest the left carry on screaming.

[Nedusa]

I would like to see all ends of the Political spectrum from far left to far right ALL have a platform in this Country.

I'm sick of just hearing from Political Parties that are so centre or occupy the safe central area that they are basically the same party just with different colours and packaging. I mean look at the shambles that passes for democracy in the US with both parties Democrats and Republicans right of centre.

No, I would like to see the Communists,Socialists and Fascists all have a voice albeit a tiny one. All views should be represented and common sense predicts the minority extremist views would never be translated into anything more. But at least everyone has their say and ALL topics are discussed. Not this current sanitised PC political apathy that results in over a third of voters completely disillusioned about the whole political process.