[Me. I Am Salman]

Helen was a prostitute, yes. But she had her reasons. It was most likely a last resort for money and we are definitely not in a position to judge. I would bet my life that the majority of people hating on Hel would say the exact same thing if it didn't concern her. So why are people applying a different set of standards to her and spewing all this venom? Surely that's bit hypocritical?

To those who aren't being hypocrites and would apply the same standards to all prostitutes, Helen's profession is in the past and she's no longer selling herself. Can a person not regret their actions and move on in their lives? Are you really saying she can never have any moral authority ever again because of something she did at one point of her life? That's incredibly heartless. How many mistakes have you exactly made? What if I never let you forget that one time you did something you so badly wish never happened? Would you have any of it? No. So in that sense you're just as guilty of hypocrisy too. In the end of the day, Helen was just offering constructive advice based on her own experience. She doesn't want Kimberley to commit the same mistakes she did and suffer the same kind of backlash, which is totally understandable. Surely Helen bashers really need to start looking for the good in people instead of solely dwelling on the bad.

I'm not even done there, there's a hint of misogyny with all this hate too. Wayne Rooney was simply another client, it was HIS decision to hire out Helen for her services and it shouldn't be her concern whether he's married or not. In the end of the day it was Wayne who deceived the ones he was close to, not Helen. But typical of the woman getting all the blame eh? How many threads were made in the World Cup section calling Rooney a homewrecker before he scored that goal yesterday? None. Was there ever any more proof not needed? Not forgetting to mention exactly how disgustingly sexist the words 'slag' and '*****' are that people seem to be bandying about on the site. Truly sickening to see this kind of hate on here.

So please, to those who keep bringing up Helen's personal life. Just think about the kind of things you are saying.

[InOne]

I don't dislike Helen because she was a prostitute I dislike her because she's a twat. Let's not go pretending she was a hooker with a heart either.

[Josy]

Helen is horrible in the house, that's why most people dislike her, Helen is the problem not the viewers.

[Me. I Am Salman]

The thread is aimed at those bringing up her past. If you're not doing that then it doesn't apply to you.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Me. I Am Salman

The thread is aimed at those bringing up her past. If you're not doing that then it doesn't apply to you.

Some people always bring up housemates past and use it to judge them it's nothing new..and also a past as colourful as that will always be held against someone.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Josy

Some people always bring up housemates past and use it to judge them it's nothing new..and also a past as colourful as that will always be held against someone.

Yes, Josy Jim Davidson being a prime example,remember all the daft digs we got about him,some of which weren't even true,lol

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Yes, Josy Jim Davidson being a prime example,remember all the daft digs we got about him,some of which weren't even true,lol

Indeed, which just shows the hypocrisy on here as those saying we shouldn't bring up Helen's past were very quick to constantly bring up Jim's...

[Me. I Am Salman]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

Indeed, which just shows the hypocrisy on here as those saying we shouldn't bring up Helen's past were very quick to constantly bring up Jim's...

Did you read the OP? I was able to justify Helen's past. Can you? Jim's prolonged history of thuggery/homophobia/domestic violence/racism is far, far, far worse than anything Helen has done and therefore far more difficult to forget. Especially as he's shown no signs of changing, calling homosexual presenters on TV perverts as recent as late 2012. Are you suggesting prostitution is on par with that?

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[jet]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Yes, Josy Jim Davidson being a prime example,remember all the daft digs we got about him,some of which weren't even true,lol

They were all true

[flamingGalah!]

No. She is a c ** t & she deserves all the hate she gets & that includes dragging up her disgusting past...

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Me. I Am Salman

The thread is aimed at those bringing up her past. If you're not doing that then it doesn't apply to you.

Oh, then I cant really say anything other than all I know is she had a threesome with a married father.

However she is a hypocrite for lecturing Kimberly about the whole girl code thing lol.

[Niamh.]

She should be allowed to move on with her life sure but should she be allowed stand on a moral platform and judge other women when she's done alot worse? No I don't think so.

[Marsh.]

When she's bringing up and insulting the morals of a woman standing in a shower with clothes on without even touching the male housemate stood a metre away then she's asking for her life to be brought into it.

The same with Danielle and her entirely fake morals and religious attitude. We know it's bull.

[Jack_]

Good post, especially the last paragraph. Really getting sick of seeing words like 'home wrecker' and slag bandied about on here, it's exactly the same as those people who blame the person who cheated with their partner (usually a woman) more than their partner themselves. The latent misogyny is not only disgusting but it's also quite scary.

Also if it emerged that someone like Jale or Kimberly had been a prostitute, I can almost guarantee those terms wouldn't be used as much as they are for Helen, it's just because it's her that they are. And just because she's acting like a **** in the house it doesn't give people the right to drag up totally irrelevant issues and use misogynistic terminology. Criticise her present actions, not her past.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Good post, especially the last paragraph. Really getting sick of seeing words like 'home wrecker' and slag bandied about on here, it's exactly the same as those people who blame the person who cheated with their partner (usually a woman) more than their partner themselves. The latent misogyny is not only disgusting but it's also quite scary.

I think that's less about misogyny and more about self defense, more than likely the wife loves her husband so it's harder to hate him then the person who slept with him and alot of times they end up staying together, it's easier to direct that anger at the person who was on the outside not the person who you were married to.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I think that's less about misogyny and more about self defense, more than likely the wife loves her husband so it's harder to hate him then the person who slept with him and alot of times they end up staying together, it's easier to direct that anger at the person who was on the outside not the person who you were married to.

The misogyny comment was more directed at blaming Helen in this instance rather than Wayne which I do think is misogynistic, but it annoys me when in those situations the person outside of the relationship is blamed more. I totally see what you're saying and get why people may end up feeling that way, but at the end of the day the partner is the one in the relationship, the onus is on them not to cheat. Yes it's sh*tty to sleep with someone in a relationship but if you're not in a relationship yourself and someone's offering...that's not really your problem.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

The misogyny comment was more directed at blaming Helen in this instance rather than Wayne which I do think is misogynistic, but it annoys me when in those situations the person outside of the relationship is blamed more. I totally see what you're saying and get why people may end up feeling that way, but at the end of the day the partner is the one in the relationship, the onus is on them not to cheat. Yes it's sh*tty to sleep with someone in a relationship but if you're not in a relationship yourself and someone's offering...that's not really your problem.

Well, I don't think people are not saying Wayne was at fault or more at fault, it's just that, well he's not a HM and we're discussing Helen the HM and of course I agree that the cheater is much much worse, I think in alot of high profile cases like this one and David beckham/Rebecca Lois(?) case for example they got a worse time of it I think because, they basically used what should have been something to be ashamed of as a way to become famous and earn some cash

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Good post, especially the last paragraph. Really getting sick of seeing words like 'home wrecker' and slag bandied about on here, it's exactly the same as those people who blame the person who cheated with their partner (usually a woman) more than their partner themselves. The latent misogyny is not only disgusting but it's also quite scary.

Also if it emerged that someone like Jale or Kimberly had been a prostitute, I can almost guarantee those terms wouldn't be used as much as they are for Helen, it's just because it's her that they are. And just because she's acting like a **** in the house it doesn't give people the right to drag up totally irrelevant issues and use misogynistic terminology. Criticise her present actions, not her past.

I don't agree with calling her a slag etc but I can understand why her past is being brought up when she's trying to act like the beacon of morality and girl power over this shower business

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't agree with calling her a slag etc but I can understand why her past is being brought up when she's trying to act like the beacon of morality and girl power over this shower business

But I don't see much wrong with her past though? People's obsessive criticism of prostitutes is just weird to me. Number one - if your partner cheats on you with one that's their problem, not the prostitutes. Number two - if you (not you, I mean in general lol) don't wish to be involved in the world of prostitution then fair enough, but if so...why do you care whether other people use them or become them? Number three - some prostitutes are actually forced into that kind of life either physically or because they don't have many other legitimate means of making a living for themselves, to criticise them for that when we should be criticising the social conditions that lead them there is really just saddening IMO.

The only thing I can see wrong about her past is the fact that (from what I understand anyway) she sold the story to the papers, but that still doesn't mean she was in the wrong for the Wayne Rooney incident itself. She was just doing her job.

I'm not saying she's the nicest person in the world from her behaviour inside the house or that she was in the right for the shower incident because she wasn't, and actually she was being quite sexist herself - but I don't really see how the fact that she used to be a prostitute is relevant to anything during her time in the house. The only reason it's being brought up is to throw a few unnecessary (and misogynistic because of their nature) digs at her. Housemate's pasts aren't important, people should judge them on their actions in the house alone.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

But I don't see much wrong with her past though? People's obsessive criticism of prostitutes is just weird to me. Number one - if your partner cheats on you with one that's their problem, not the prostitutes. Number two - if you (not you, I mean in general lol) don't wish to be involved in the world of prostitution then fair enough, but if so...why do you care whether other people use them or become them? Number three - some prostitutes are actually forced into that kind of life either physically or because they don't have many other legitimate means of making a living for themselves, to criticise them for that when we should be criticising the social conditions that lead them there is really just saddening IMO.

The only thing I can see wrong about her past is the fact that (from what I understand anyway) she sold the story to the papers, but that still doesn't mean she was in the wrong for the Wayne Rooney incident itself. She was just doing her job.

I'm not saying she's the nicest person in the world from her behaviour inside the house or that she was in the right for the shower incident because she wasn't, and actually she was being quite sexist herself - but I don't really see how the fact that she used to be a prostitute is relevant to anything during her time in the house. The only reason it's being brought up is to throw a few unnecessary (and misogynistic because of their nature) digs at her. Housemate's pasts aren't important, people should judge them on their actions in the house alone.

I feel like I've already given my opinion on these points in the girl code thread, so I'm just going to repost my reply

I would never call another woman a slag, I despise that word, especially coming from another woman, that's my girl code

The point I'm making here is (and this nothing to do with what I think about prostitution) I just think, if you're in that job, you go into it knowing that probably a large chunk of your clients will be married and will be cheating on their partners, fair enough that's their issue not yours but if in your normal life you're of the opinion that girls should have some sort of a code and not even shower clothed with men who are attached(and I use that term loosely here since Winston barely even knows Tamara) how can you not say it's rich or hypocritical? It's either the attached persons fault or it's not, whether you're being paid or not, do you understand what I'm trying to say? (I'm not trying to be patronizing here, I just don't know If I'm explaining myself very well )

To me it'd be like a vegetarian preaching about how meat is murder and making people feel bad for eating meat but then working in an abattoir but being excused for that cos you get paid for it

[calyman]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Good post, especially the last paragraph. Really getting sick of seeing words like 'home wrecker' and slag bandied about on here, it's exactly the same as those people who blame the person who cheated with their partner (usually a woman) more than their partner themselves. The latent misogyny is not only disgusting but it's also quite scary.

Also if it emerged that someone like Jale or Kimberly had been a prostitute, I can almost guarantee those terms wouldn't be used as much as they are for Helen, it's just because it's her that they are. And just because she's acting like a **** in the house it doesn't give people the right to drag up totally irrelevant issues and use misogynistic terminology. Criticise her present actions, not her past.

I don't care that she was a prostitute, what I care about is her nasty, vindictive, abusive, irrational hatred of those who are clearly more in control of their lives and have higher aspirations.

If she learned how to be her nasty self, while working as a prostitute, then she has not "moved on" from her past because her vileness is self evident.

Also,please, desist with the misogyny accusations. You know it is possible to thoroughly detest Helen, not on the basis of her gender but on the basis of her horrendous personality.

[Drew.]

People always bring up housemates pasts whether its in a negative or positive way, her past just happens to be full of negatives.

[JeanP!]

Helen Queen of England

[flamingGalah!]

Helen is the hypocrite not us. She ranted to Kimberly that her going into the same shower cubicle was being disrespectful towards Tamara (who isn't even in a relationship with Winston & knew him for ONE week!) when Helen shows NO respect towards anyone else at all in the house, let alone showing anyone any respect outside of the house! She didn't show much respect for Coleen Rooney when she slept with Wayne & then sold her story to a tabloid & the woman clearly has zero self respect for being a prostitute in the first place...

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

Helen is the hypocrite not us. She ranted to Kimberly that her going into the same shower cubicle was being disrespectful towards Tamara (who isn't even in a relationship with Winston & knew him for ONE week!) when Helen shows NO respect towards anyone else at all in the house, let alone showing anyone any respect outside of the house! She didn't show much respect for Coleen Rooney when she slept with Wayne & then sold her story to a tabloid & the woman clearly has zero self respect for being a prostitute in the first place...

Well she has people that like her in there so the 45 minute highlights must be doing something wrong with their editing on that front.