[Robodog]

Overall, who takes the crown for Queen Bitch ? !

Or do they share the title ?

[Jack_]

Depends on the context you're asking it in. Queen Bitch as in a negative thing or Queen Bitch as in yeah she slays the rest of them

Helen's definitely the nastier person, I prefer her as a housemate though. On a personal level I definitely like Ashleigh more

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Depends on the context you're asking it in. Queen Bitch as in a negative thing or Queen Bitch as in yeah she slays the rest of them

Helen's definitely the nastier person, I prefer her as a housemate though. On a personal level I definitely like Ashleigh more

Open to interpretation. Glad you got the debate going about it.

Helen is more angry but Ashleigh is more moody brat.

I kinda like both as HMs. Hard to call in real life but i think i'd rather turn to Helen than Ashleigh if i needed a friend in an hour of need.

[Achilles]

"brat" keeps being slung at Ashleigh and people don't even know what the word means.

Do you know who the BRATS are? - Helen, Winston, Ash, Mark, Steven etc

Brat means to behave badly, a label given to children.

Ashleigh is one of the most mature people in there, she reacts to what the REAL BRATS do

[Creggle]

Originally Posted by Achilles

"brat" keeps being slung at Ashleigh and people don't even know what the word means.

Do you know who the BRATS are? - Helen, Winston, Ash, Mark, Steven etc

Brat means to behave badly, a label given to children.

Ashleigh is one of the most mature people in there, she reacts to what the REAL BRATS do

They call her a brat because she's young, end of.

They also call her ugly because she's beautiful and a ***** because she's female.

[kefln]

Are these two even in the same league?

In real life would people even know that Ashleigh was bitching? Is she any worse than anyone else in their day to day dealings with people they don't like? From every conversation I've ever had on the subject, its fairly normal for girls to sit together in small groups and bitch about people they don't like. And anyone who claims to have never done the same is lying. Hell a vast quantity of bitching about HMs goes on here daily. How is that any better? Given some of things I've read recently online, some of her detractors have far more bite than she.

However it is not normal to act like Helen. Screaming, shouting abuse, name calling, drunken fights, getting into peoples faces...it takes a certain type of person to justify that sort of behaviour.

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by Craigy_CraigO

They call her a brat because she's young, end of.

They also call her ugly because she's beautiful and a ***** because she's female.

There are different types of brattish behaviour. Sometimes it's tantrum-like (eg Helen or Toya exploding at people), sometimes it's that 'holier than thou' moody brat style (like Ashleigh or Danielle bitching in the pod)

It's just a convenient phrase and not meant to be taken too seriously

For the record - i like both Ashleigh and Helen and never have i - or would i - call anyone ugly or a *****, if you are implying that about me in your post.

[Cold Sweat]

Originally Posted by Achilles

"brat" keeps being slung at Ashleigh and people don't even know what the word means.

Do you know who the BRATS are? - Helen, Winston, Ash, Mark, Steven etc

Brat means to behave badly, a label given to children.

Ashleigh is one of the most mature people in there, she reacts to what the REAL BRATS do

Theoretical question:

Could somebody stamping their feet and insisting on not saying sorry until they feel like it (even when unquestionably in the wrong) be considered as behaving like a brat?

[Creggle]

Originally Posted by Cold Sweat

Theoretical question:

Could somebody stamping their feet and insisting on not saying sorry until they feel like it (even when unquestionably in the wrong) be considered as behaving like a brat?

No, that's called being real yo.

[mrflibble]

Originally Posted by Achilles

"brat" keeps being slung at Ashleigh and people don't even know what the word means.

Do you know who the BRATS are? - Helen, Winston, Ash, Mark, Steven etc

Brat means to behave badly, a label given to children.

Ashleigh is one of the most mature people in there, she reacts to what the REAL BRATS do

Yep. When one of the brats don't get their way they cry and complain because they always get their way (see: Steven being nominated/all his bitterness, Helen trying to become ruler of the roost/crying when getting warnings, Mark for everything etc). Every time bad something happens to Ashleigh, she just deals with it and gets on with things. People keep calling her miserable, but tbh, who wouldn't be with those people in the house? I feel miserable watching them and living with them would be fecking awful. Also compare how she considers conversation fun and interesting and the others have to pull pranks to remain relevant. If they're not annoying someone or doing something childish they get bored.

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by Achilles

"brat" keeps being slung at Ashleigh and people don't even know what the word means.

Do you know who the BRATS are? - Helen, Winston, Ash, Mark, Steven etc

Brat means to behave badly, a label given to children.

Ashleigh is one of the most mature people in there, she reacts to what the REAL BRATS do

You haven't seen her in the house then? She's been incredibly immature with her spite towards Ash simply to "hurt" Helen. She's treated her close friend Christopher like **** on a couple occasions and she's shown brat characteristics when things haven't gone her way or when she's simply decided to play "I'm greater than the rest, how dare they talk to me while I'm busy looking down at you all with my two friends". Hell her rant in the DR last show was incredibly "Bratty"...Come on man..

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

You haven't seen her in the house then? She's been incredibly immature with her spite towards Ash simply to "hurt" Helen. She's treated her close friend Christopher like **** on a couple occasions and she's shown brat characteristics when things haven't gone her way or when she's simply decided to play "I'm greater than the rest, how dare they talk to me while I'm busy looking down at you all with my two friends". Hell her rant in the DR last show was incredibly "Bratty"...Come on man..

Helen, Ash and Winston acted like brats when they went out the fire exit. They behaved badly and acted like moronic kids. BRATS. Ashleigh was the MATURE one who believe that they should have apologized to the house immediately after BB told them the whole house was being punished. They didn't apologize because they are brats. They took the piss and sang an apology because they are brats.

Ashleigh's plan to get Ash nominated was not being a brat. It was playing the game and attempting to get rid of a housemate she didn't like. She doesn't like him because he is a nasty twat.
Her tiff with Christopher was as a result of a stressed woman being wound up and losing her temper out of frustration.
Her rant in diary room was the same as if a victim of bullying lashes out at the people bullying them.

Not once was she being a brat. She is only labelled a brat because of her age and people who hate her use it as an insult. WRONGLY.

[billy123]

They are both as bad as each other really.

[Jordan.]

Helen and it isn't close. Both have been great housemates though

[jet]

Ashleigh isn't a bitch. She owns bitches.

[Cold Sweat]

Queen - Ashleigh
Bitch - Helen

[Creggle]

Ashleigh bitches alot but she never denies it, she also does it to actually vent which is quite constructive, and doesn't bang on about being 'real'. She also doesn't give the slightest if she's caught out.

Helen on the other hand, bitches constantly and doesn't seems to have any real conversations with her 'mates', denies and cries about it when she's caught out and reckons she's nothing but honest and upfront. She also does it out of spite to make herself feel better about herself IMO.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Craigy_CraigO

Ashleigh bitches alot but she never denies it, she also does it to actually vent which is quite constructive, and doesn't bang on about being 'real'. She also doesn't give the slightest if she's caught out.

Helen on the other hand, bitches constantly and doesn't seems to have any real conversations with her 'mates', denies and cries about it when she's caught out and reckons she's nothing but honest and upfront. She also does it out of spite to make herself feel better about herself IMO.

Truth here

[Macie Lightfoot]

I think the biggest revelation this summer is that Ashleigh's secretly been able to post on TIBB from inside the house under the pseudonym 'Achilles'

[Brother Leon]

Both are terrible people, but Helen is by far the better HM.

[Shaun]

Helen is an aggressive bitch in addition to a shady bitch.
Ashleigh is just a shady bitch.

Helen wins by bitchality.

[Jords]

I dont view Ashleigh as a 'bitch'.

Helen has picked arguments with pretty much every HM. Ashleigh only had a tendency to be involved in arguments concerning Helen and Ash.

Ignoring minor squabbles.

[Dollface]

I think i need to stay away from these types of threads atm

BECAUSE CLEARLY THIS FORUM DOESN'T ALLOW ANY CONFRONTATION BETWEEN MEMBERS EVEN THOUGH SPITEFUL GROWN ADULTS ARE ALLOWED TO SLAG OFF A YOUNG GIRL'S APPEARANCE
*cough*

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by Dollface

I think i need to stay away from these types of threads atm

BECAUSE CLEARLY THIS FORUM DOESN'T ALLOW ANY CONFRONTATION BETWEEN MEMBERS EVEN THOUGH SPITEFUL GROWN ADULTS ARE ALLOWED TO SLAG OFF A YOUNG GIRL'S APPEARANCE
*cough*

Ashleigh is beautiful. That is why she is called ugly.

[Lwize]

There is a difference between bitching and being a bitch.

Helen has been a consistent black cloud over the household. Ashleigh emerged from the shadows to vocalize what viewers were already thinking about Helen and her crew.

Helen was the queen bitch of the house. A villain through and through.
Ashleigh just called it like she saw it.