[daniel-lewis-1985]

She does mutter comments under her breath in group situations making people uncomfortable, she does moan a lot and she does take herself off to corners of the house and bitch.....A lot.

Tonight I have totally been on Helens side and over the last few days have found ive gone off Ashleigh despite only last week I wanted her to win.

Maybe Ashleigh would have been a lot happier and involved if Chris had left. Its like when Danielle was there she was hated because Danielle and her were just miserable together but after she left we saw a much nice Ashleigh and the public turned around in a massive way.

Shes let me down to be honest.

[Lstan]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

She does mutter comments under her breath in group situations making people uncomfortable, she does moan a lot and she does take herself off to corners of the house and bitch.....A lot.

Tonight I have totally been on Helens side and over the last few days have found ive gone off Ashleigh despite only last week I wanted her to win.

Maybe Ashleigh would have been a lot happier and involved if Chris had left. Its like when Danielle was there she was hated because Danielle and her were just miserable together but after she left we saw a much nice Ashleigh and the public turned around in a massive way.

Shes let me down to be honest.

I think both helen and ashleigh are in control and hold control of the house and are equal in that respect, they both appear to be the heads of either side hence tonights show. But i am being a bit of a captain obvious now so i apologise.

[Creggle]

It's difficult though when Helen does the same but more vocal, Ashleigh seems to like Ash and Pav somewhat, I just think it's being around Helen she can't stand. They are both as bad as one another for his whole divide debacle though, they got on for a week and it was quite good.

[Lstan]

Originally Posted by Craigy_CraigO

It's difficult though when Helen does the same but more vocal, Ashleigh seems to like Ash and Pav somewhat, I just think it's being around Helen she can't stand. They are both as bad as one another for his whole divide debacle though, they got on for a week and it was quite good.

pretty much.

[jessicadanielle]

I think Ashleigh and Helen are equally responsible for the divide, along with a number of other hms, but Helen has much more power over her friends than Ashleigh ever has in my opinion.

Both Helen and Steven had to bring up Chris in the trial thing claiming he's something to do with it when it was about Helen or Ashleigh. That in itself was sort of pitching them as a group against their own group. They made a point of the divide.

Also on a slightly unrelated note, Ashleigh accepted some responsibility for the divide while Helen just seemed to act like she had played no part in any disharmony in the house, which surely even she can see is completely untrue. Ashleigh's acceptance of some role in the divide showed more maturity, and Helen's complete unwillingness to accept any part in it sounded like guilt to me.

[Lstan]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

I think Ashleigh and Helen are equally responsible for the divide, along with a number of other hms, but Helen has much more power over her friends than Ashleigh ever has in my opinion.

I think since last week/maybe 2 weeks ago its changed and recently they are similar in this way even though they go about it in different ways-which maybe is inevitiable as there are only 6 of them left.

[Forgetmenot]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

I think Ashleigh and Helen are equally responsible for the divide, along with a number of other hms, but Helen has much more power over her friends than Ashleigh ever has in my opinion.

Both Helen and Steven had to bring up Chris in the trial thing claiming he's something to do with it when it was about Helen or Ashleigh. That in itself was sort of pitching them as a group against their own group. They made a point of the divide.

Also on a slightly unrelated note, Ashleigh accepted some responsibility for the divide while Helen just seemed to act like she had played no part in any disharmony in the house, which surely even she can see is completely untrue. Ashleigh's acceptance of some role in the divide showed more maturity, and Helen's complete unwillingness to accept any part in it sounded like guilt to me.

Nonsense! It was a really stupid nasty cruel idea to have this court thing and I dislike the woman put up as ''Judge" emencely, she, along with BB should be deeply ashamed of them selves.disgusting thing to do to any one.

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by Forgetmenot

Nonsense! It was a really stupid nasty cruel idea to have this court thing and I dislike the woman put up as ''Judge" emencely, she, along with BB should be deeply ashamed of them selves.disgusting thing to do to any one.

I hated the court idea too especially in the final week, it was unfair to both Helen and Ashleigh, especially considering every housemate who is on one side of the divide has some part to play in it. But I'm not sure how any of what you said makes my post nonsense?

[Samm]

Let be honest she doesn't

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by ~Sam~

Let be honest she doesn't

What a pointless contribution but thanks anyway.

[Lstan]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

What a pointless contribution but thanks anyway.

[Samm]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

What a pointless contribution but thanks anyway.

No it isn't I'm saying my opinion she doesn't no need to make a massive paragraph

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by ~Sam~

Let be honest she doesn't

[MrWong]

Do you seek out aggressive people to be friends with?

I avoid them personally.

Helen's actions create the divide.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by MrWong

Do you seek out aggressive people to be friends with?

I avoid them personally.

Helen's actions create the divide.

Well Helens had more friends so obviously people must "seek out aggression".

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Well Helens had more friends so obviously people must "seek out aggression".

She doesn't target her friends.

Blow smoke up her arse and your fine.

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by MrWong

She doesn't target her friends.

Blow smoke up her arse and your fine.

Is that like a colonic irrigation but without the fizz??

thats Ashleigh, full of sh.t and no fizz lol

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Miranda123

Is that like a colonic irrigation but without the fizz??

thats Ashleigh, full of sh.t and no fizz lol

You seem to know more about it than me.

Problems with your bowels?

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Well Helens had more friends so obviously people must "seek out aggression".

People are friends with Helen through fear, that is really clear. She chooses her friends based on her perception of "coolness", and once they're rammed right up her arse and never questioning a thing she does, she's pretty nice to them, and shows less aggression. Pav even said it tonight! He perceives her to be less aggressive now that he's up her arse.

The reason she doesn't like Ashleigh is because she's one of few hms who won't take her sh*t. I've met many people who are the same... They'll be your friend if you let them boss you about, and will turn on you the minute you say no.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

People are friends with Helen through fear

No. No they're not.

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No. No they're not.

Oh, Jale must have become friends with her after the Slugsworth stuff because she's such a warm soul and so welcoming..

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

People are friends with Helen through fear, that is really clear. She chooses her friends based on her perception of "coolness", and once they're rammed right up her arse and never questioning a thing she does, she's pretty nice to them, and shows less aggression. Pav even said it tonight! He perceives her to be less aggressive now that he's up her arse.

The reason she doesn't like Ashleigh is because she's one of few hms who won't take her sh*t. I've met many people who are the same... They'll be your friend if you let them boss you about, and will turn on you the minute you say no.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

People are friends with Helen through fear, that is really clear. She chooses her friends based on her perception of "coolness", and once they're rammed right up her arse and never questioning a thing she does, she's pretty nice to them, and shows less aggression. Pav even said it tonight! He perceives her to be less aggressive now that he's up her arse.

The reason she doesn't like Ashleigh is because she's one of few hms who won't take her sh*t. I've met many people who are the same... They'll be your friend if you let them boss you about, and will turn on you the minute you say no.

LOL,sorry that is ridiculous why would you be friends with someone out of fear ,ffs, I'm not even gonna bother this is so silly

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

LOL,sorry that is ridiculous why would you be friends with someone out of fear ,ffs, I'm not even gonna bother this is so silly

its getting rather silly now isnt it Kaz, methinks Ashleigh fans (the ones she has left) are shaking in their kickers lol

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

LOL,sorry that is ridiculous why would you be friends with someone out of fear ,ffs, I'm not even gonna bother this is so silly

I seem to recall that most of history's dictators had many friends and acolytes

The Kray Twins had hundreds of friends