[puzzled]

When a person is brain damaged, before they are discharged, their families/carers are extensively briefed on what to expect. The person isn't doing nothing because she's lazy, but because she's got a kind of brain fog. Sadly, things like hygiene slip away because of this passivity. This is why Gary so readily agreed to take a shower--when it was brought up by someone else, the fog lifted.

The shushing is part of the difficulty of remembering what is appropriate in social situations. What person without brain damage would sit there and listen to James go on and on and on about how helpful and wonderful he was?

So, to sum up, I really think that BB should have briefed the HMs somewhat about what to expect, and I think that it would be a much different house, although some of them still would have been mean and nasty. After all, they're treating Gary like he's a nasty version of their granddads. I think Audley, for one, would make allowances. Then we'd see the real villains.

Another poster gave a really good source about brain damage.
http://synapse.org.au/get-the-facts/...act-sheet.aspx

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by puzzled

When a person is brain damaged, before they are discharged, their families/carers are extensively briefed on what to expect. The person isn't doing nothing because she's lazy, but because she's got a kind of brain fog. Sadly, things like hygiene slip away because of this passivity. This is why Gary so readily agreed to take a shower--when it was brought up by someone else, the fog lifted.

The shushing is part of the difficulty of remembering what is appropriate in social situations. What person without brain damage would sit there and listen to James go on and on and on about how helpful and wonderful he was?

So, to sum up, I really think that BB should have briefed the HMs somewhat about what to expect, and I think that it would be a much different house, although some of them still would have been mean and nasty. After all, they're treating Gary like he's a nasty version of their granddads. I think Audley, for one, would make allowances. Then we'd see the real villains.

Another poster gave a really good source about brain damage.
http://synapse.org.au/get-the-facts/...act-sheet.aspx

The bit in bold is hilarious

Yeah maybe they should have briefed them, and I think you're right. Ignorant people like David would probably still argue that Gary is "manipulative".

[Vanessa]

What person without brain damage would sit there and listen to James go on and on and on about how helpful and wonderful he was?

[jet]

Originally Posted by jessicadanielle

The bit in bold is hilarious

Yeah maybe they should have briefed them, and I think you're right. Ignorant people like David would probably still argue that Gary is "manipulative".

A lot depends on what part of the brain is affected. It doesn't mean every bad trait a person may have is due to the damage.

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by jet

A lot depends on what part of the brain is affected. It doesn't mean every bad trait a person may have is due to the damage.

Yeah I agree, but not sure why you've put this in response to my post?

When I said David would think Gary is manipulative I was referring to the fact that he seemed to think Gary is using his hearing impairment to manipulate the other housemates in his interview last night... Or something like that anyway, he wasn't making much sense

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by jet

A lot depends on what part of the brain is affected. It doesn't mean every bad trait a person may have is due to the damage.

This is what I was trying to say the other day, I cant help wondering why though everyone goes on about a brain injury. Gary is very competent in his VTs. I wonder what sort of questions Emma will ask him when he comes out?

[ThriceShy]

They really do need to be told.

Criticising Gary for his not showering or his inappropriate comments is the equivalent of criticising someone in a wheelchair for not moving round the house quick enough.

But the housemates can't see it. Are they just not bright enough or do they not care?

[rusticgal]

This is why Audley stands out to me....I haven't seen him attack or join in with the others against Gary.
I know he hasn't done an awful lot but...he dislikes James and hasn't jumped on the Gary bandwagon...that's why he is my second favourite.

[puzzled]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

This is why Audley stands out to me....I haven't seen him attack or join in with the others against Gary.
I know he hasn't done an awful lot but...he dislikes James and hasn't jumped on the Gary bandwagon...that's why he is my second favourite.

I liked the way Audley told Gary not to go into the shower alone, and when Gary started getting his back up, Audley said it was because of his knee injury, which could cause him to slip.

[jet]

Originally Posted by puzzled

I liked the way Audley told Gary not to go into the shower alone, and when Gary started getting his back up, Audley said it was because of his knee injury, which could cause him to slip.

That was James.

[FlippingEck]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

Criticising Gary for his not showering or his inappropriate comments is the equivalent of criticising someone in a wheelchair for not moving round the house quick enough.

Oh please. I don't believe what I'm reading some days... you guys..

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by FlippingEck

Oh please. I don't believe what I'm reading some days... you guys..

What did I get wrong?

[FlippingEck]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

What did I get wrong?

Criticising Gary for not showering is like criticising a person in a wheelchair for not moving quickly enough?

Surely sweeping overgeneralisations about brain injuries are not relevant and do more harm than good.

TBI's can cause many different social, cognitive, emotional and physical defects.. you cannot generalise on the type of injury Busey had and what his own personal problems are relating to the injury. The brain is a very complex organ. If Gary DOES need reminding to shower, or reminding that basic functions are necessary, if indeed your assumptions are true, then Big Brother has an obligation to provide Gary with that kind of support... IF indeed he is incapable of living without support, which is kind of what you are suggesting, Big Brother should either a) provide him with that support by calling him to the Diary Room... Hi Gary... it's time to have a shower and change your clothes... that kinda thing.. or b) Don't put him in the house.

The other housemates are there to provide entertainment and have fun. They are not there to be Busey's carers. But please, don't generalise about his brain injury. Unless of course you were his physician and you have access to his records..

[puzzled]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

What did I get wrong?

I thought it was spot on.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by FlippingEck

Oh please. I don't believe what I'm reading some days... you guys..

It's shocking, isn't it, how people behave? Maybe you should cut him some slack.

[FlippingEck]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

It's shocking, isn't it, how people behave? Maybe you should cut him some slack.

Why? If he was a tad more personable I would consider it

[waylander1973]

Originally Posted by puzzled

When a person is brain damaged, before they are discharged, their families/carers are extensively briefed on what to expect. The person isn't doing nothing because she's lazy, but because she's got a kind of brain fog. Sadly, things like hygiene slip away because of this passivity. This is why Gary so readily agreed to take a shower--when it was brought up by someone else, the fog lifted.

The shushing is part of the difficulty of remembering what is appropriate in social situations. What person without brain damage would sit there and listen to James go on and on and on about how helpful and wonderful he was?

So, to sum up, I really think that BB should have briefed the HMs somewhat about what to expect, and I think that it would be a much different house, although some of them still would have been mean and nasty. After all, they're treating Gary like he's a nasty version of their granddads. I think Audley, for one, would make allowances. Then we'd see the real villains.

Another poster gave a really good source about brain damage.
http://synapse.org.au/get-the-facts/...act-sheet.aspx

BB should have not asked him to go the show in the first place, the housemates are not trained carers, if does need special help then he needs people who trained to provide it.

[FlippingEck]

Originally Posted by waylander1973

BB should have not asked him to go the show in the first place, the housemates are not trained carers, if does need special help then he needs people who trained to provide it.

^^^^ THIS^^^^

[puzzled]

Originally Posted by waylander1973

BB should have not asked him to go the show in the first place, the housemates are not trained carers, if does need special help then he needs people who trained to provide it.

Absolutely right, but since they did accept him, they should do something to ameliorate the situation. I'm sure some of the HMs wouldn't come off so badly if they understood the situation.

[Tarryn]

Originally Posted by waylander1973

BB should have not asked him to go the show in the first place, the housemates are not trained carers, if does need special help then he needs people who trained to provide it.

You don't need to be a carer to show some decency when talking to a person & let's face it, they have showed far more respect to Kellie who has been much more difficult to live with than Gary.

[waylander1973]

Originally Posted by Tarryn

You don't need to be a carer to show some decency when talking to a person & let's face it, they have showed far more respect to Kellie who has been much more difficult to live with than Gary.

Showing decency of course they should, but to remind a housemate to keep clean for example then actually yes you do need that training, the housemates have enough stress to deal without gary adding to it with his needs as well, no housemate signed on to take care of another housemate in that way, did they and as david said when you to help him he can be difficult to deal with, so who's worst david who lost his temper towards the end when he was helping him with his knee (being a fitness coach he must havesome first aid training), or the housemates who kept out of it.

So gary does needed someone who is trained to help him.

Carers/nurses who help old people with such problems are taught to expect such behavior so they can deal with.

[Tarryn]

Originally Posted by waylander1973

Showing decency of course they should, but to remind a housemate to keep clean for example then actually yes you do need that training, the housemates have enough stress to deal without gary adding to it with his needs as well, no housemate signed on to take care of another housemate in that way, did they and as david said when you to help him he can be difficult to deal with, so who's worst david who lost his temper towards the end when he was helping him with his knee (being a fitness coach he must some first aid training), or the housemates who kept out of it.

So gary does needed someone who is trained to help him.

Carers/nurses who help old people with such problems are taught to expect such behavior so they can deal with.

If the HM's have real concerns about Gary needing caring for then they should go to BB & say what they think. But instead they are just treating him like dirt. I'm not defending Gary & saying he is a great HM but he deserves a certain amount of respect.

[waylander1973]

Originally Posted by Tarryn

If the HM's have real concerns about Gary needing caring for then they should go to BB & say what they think. But instead they are just treating him like dirt. I'm not defending Gary & saying he is a great HM but he deserves a certain amount of respect.

Yes they should but all BB will tell them to show gary some sympathy, plus they might already and we have been not been shown it. some housemates are treating him badly, what upsets me is that all the housemates apart from frenchy are being branded bullies or turning a blind eye to it on the outside, and BB are letting this situation ruin their personal images in the public eye.

Gary must be difficult to live with, to get such a reaction from most of the other housemates they can't all be bullies.

[jessicadanielle]

Originally Posted by waylander1973

Showing decency of course they should, but to remind a housemate to keep clean for example then actually yes you do need that training, the housemates have enough stress to deal without gary adding to it with his needs as well, no housemate signed on to take care of another housemate in that way, did they and as david said when you to help him he can be difficult to deal with, so who's worst david who lost his temper towards the end when he was helping him with his knee (being a fitness coach he must some first aid training), or the housemates who kept out of it.

So gary does needed someone who is trained to help him.

Carers/nurses who help old people with such problems are taught to expect such behavior so they can deal with.

Personally I don't think Gary does need "help" exactly, just understanding. He has brain damage which doesn't appear to have affected his sensorimotor skills, and has a hearing impairment. I don't know what "problems" Gary has that you are referring to here?

[jet]

Originally Posted by waylander1973

BB should have not asked him to go the show in the first place, the housemates are not trained carers, if does need special help then he needs people who trained to provide it.

You are absolutely right. If he needs help, both physically and mentally, he shouldn't be in the house. It's unfair to him and unfair to the others. At the very least, the other HM's should have been fully briefed about any possible problems. Which makes me think he doesn't need any particular help and his brain is working fine, thanks very much...