[Conzors]

...if dressing up as a woman and prancing around in woman's attire represents the gay community then we are not in 2015 i'm sorry.

I know being a drag queen is a job, and its very fun and they are all funny and i see all that. It represents freedom of expression and freedom to be who you want to be but it does NOT represent the gay community, so she shouldn't say that she represents the gay community because she doesn't, she represents a small part of it at most, but mostly represents her community which are drag queens.

(and if theyre anything like the ones im seeing on BOTS - being fame hungry, attention seeking, sexual freaks[WHAT IS WITH THE LICKING]then god forbid anyone thinking thats what being gay is all about). The ones on BOTS don't represent drag queens in a good light, and brings the gay community back 100 years.

Opinions?

[MB.]

I feel like her opinion of Perez would change if he put on a wig and a bit of lippy.

[Conzors]

Originally Posted by MB.

I feel like her opinion of Perez would change if he put on a wig and a bit of lippy.

YES YES YES.

[Lstan]

Originally Posted by Conzors

...if dressing up as a woman and prancing around in woman's attire represents the gay community then we are not in 2015 i'm sorry.

I know being a drag queen is a job, and its very fun and they are all funny and i see all that. It represents freedom of expression and freedom to be who you want to be but it does NOT represent the gay community, so she shouldn't say that she represents the gay community because she doesn't, she represents a small part of it, and thank god that they all arent the ones that im seeing on BOTS - being fame hungry, attention seeking, sexual freaks. They don't represent drag queens in a good light, and brings the gay community back 100 years.

Opinions?

you make a brilliant point, but as i am not part of that community i dont think its my place to comment.

[Conzors]

Originally Posted by Lstan

you make a brilliant point, but as i am not part of that community i dont think its my place to comment.

Everyone is allowed to comment.
I'm gay, but not a drag queen yet im commenting on them
x

[Lstan]

Originally Posted by Conzors

Everyone is allowed to comment.
I'm gay, but not a drag queen yet im commenting on them
x

Thank you

I guess i dont really get the connection between drag queens and being gay. two of my close friends are gay (one gay one lesbian) and even then their experiences are different and they experience different problems although they come under the umbrella term LBGT.

this is what confused me which i asked about in another thread-how does her being on a show for drag queens make her a spokesperson for a whole group of diverse people on that alone? I assumed she did more than that because she keeps going on about the LBGT movement i assumed she did more, but i have yet to hear her mention anything else shes done for the cause (not saying she hasnt, just its not been made clear). i dont see how championing drag queens helps my friend from not getting a brick through his window when it was discovered he was gay? how does her promoting visibility for drag queens stop my friend being sexually harassed and told she just hasnt "had a good dick in her thats why shes lesbian" after she was spotted with her girlfriend?

but i think what personally wound me up was when she went on about perez setting the movement back 50 years. yes i agree totally point out hes a douchebag et al but they way she said that made it sound like she was rallying for points. i dont like perez either but making it out that everyone is going to judge all gay people on his actions when there are plently of gay (and very much loved) celebrities out there is pretty insulting to the viewers and came across as pandering, and being as big of a drama queen as perez himself. I think its great she is championing drag queens, but again i dont get how that makes her the spokeperson for all LBGT people based on the fact she co-hosts a drag show on that point alone. I think is condescending to the problems and violence LBGT people still unfortunatly face today.

sorry for the long post but thats my whole view, i didnt want to comment as someone who is not LBGT but seeing the problems and issues my gay friends have gone though i dont like how this is all seeminging being simplified down to "well as long as I can wear high heels and make up everything is ok". when you are doing something about the violence, exploitation and homelessness that effect LBGT people then we can talk. until then, can we not with the grandiose statements please.

(eta i am going on how this is being discussed, not what she may do overall as thats not been made clear by anyone)

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Lstan

Thank you

I guess i dont really get the connection between drag queens and being gay. two of my close friends are gay (one gay one lesbian) and even then their experiences are different and they experience different problems although they come under the umbrella term LBGT.

this is what confused me which i asked about in another thread-how does her being on a show for drag queens make her a spokesperson for a whole group of diverse people on that alone? I assumed she did more than that because she keeps going on about the LBGT movement i assumed she did more, but i have yet to hear her mention anything else shes done for the cause (not saying she hasnt, just its not been made clear). i dont see how championing drag queens helps my friend from not getting a brick through his window when it was discovered he was gay? how does her promoting visibility for drag queens stop my friend being sexually harassed and told she just hasnt "had a good dick in her thats why shes lesbian" after she was spotted with her girlfriend?

but i think what personally wound me up was when she went on about perez setting the movement back 50 years. yes i agree totally point out hes a douchebag et al but they way she said that made it sound like she was rallying for points. i dont like perez either but making it out that everyone is going to judge all gay people on his actions when there are plently of gay (and very much loved) celebrities out there is pretty insulting to the viewers and came across as pandering, and being as big of a drama queen as perez himself. I think its great she is championing drag queens, but again i dont get how that makes her the spokeperson for all LBGT people based on the fact she co-hosts a drag show on that point alone. I think is condescending to the problems and violence LBGT people still unfortunatly face today.

sorry for the long post but thats my whole view, i didnt want to comment as someone who is not LBGT but seeing the problems and issues my gay friends have gone though i dont like how this is all seeminging being simplified down to "well as long as I can wear high heels and make up everything is ok". when you are doing something about the violence, exploitation and homelessness that effect LBGT people then we can talk. until then, can we not with the grandiose statements please.

(eta i am going on how this is being discussed, not what she may do overall as thats not been made clear by anyone)

Michelle has been massive part of fighting for LGBT rights since the 1980s! taking part in pride marches, fund raising, spreading aids awareness, protesting about equal rights and working to stop homophobia for all gays so that includes your friend. I don't think your friend would have a problem with a woman with the power of being in the public eye bringing such disgusting acts to the publics attention and getting something done about it.

That's 3 decades shes worked side by side with all members from the lgbt community.

She has touched on it briefly on the show aswell so it seems people just didn't pay attention.

The fact she got so upset with Perez was obvious she had been talking about it more but obviously with editing it wasn't shown that's why people will obviously come to the conclusion she was overreacting because they done know her history or what led up to that outburst in the diary room.

[Lstan]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Michelle has been massive part of fighting for LGBT rights since the 1980s! taking part in pride marches, fund raising, spreading aids awareness, protesting about equal rights and working to stop homophobia for all gays so that includes your friend. I don't think your friend would have a problem with a woman with the power of being in the public eye bringing such disgusting acts to the publics attention and getting something done about it.

That's 3 decades shes worked side by side with all members from the lgbt community.

She has touched on it briefly on the show aswell so it seems people just didn't pay attention.

The fact she got so upset with Perez was obvious she had been talking about it more but obviously with editing it wasn't shown that's why people will obviously come to the conclusion she was overreacting because they done know her history or what led up to that outburst in the diary room.

i think you need to re-read what i wrote, i am not attacking michelle nor did i say she doesnt do anything, like i literally say that at the end of my comment. if its touched on so briefly its no wonder many missed it-i am not the only one questioning it there have been a few other threads about this very topic. I also specifically say its in reference to whats been asked here-not how she is overall just whats been shown and discussed here.

i dont blame her for getting angry at perez, again that not what i said-what i said was wrong was saying hes setting back the movement 50 years with his actions in the house, thats a great insult to both those who have fought for lbgt rights and many watchers and...like how many times to i have to repeat it? i wonder how much of my reply you read before responding because its doesnt appear to b off anything i actually wrote.

[ebandit]

Originally Posted by Conzors

Everyone is allowed to comment.
I'm gay, but not a drag queen yet im commenting on them
x

........today i'm in a gay mood and i see michelle in it for herself...........on

the backs of others

Mark

[elliebrew]

Wonderful...

MICHELLE TO WIN

[Conzors]

Originally Posted by elliebrew

Wonderful...

MICHELLE TO WIN

I am very fond of Michelle but you cannot say she represents the gay community as a whole!

[sassysocks]

Originally Posted by Conzors

I am very fond of Michelle but you cannot say she represents the gay community as a whole!

Since when was it her role to present the gay community. Why do you feel the gay community needs people to represent them on BB? It's a game show, not a political rally. Lighten up!

[Conzors]

Originally Posted by sassysocks

Since when was it her role to present the gay community. Why do you feel the gay community needs people to represent them on BB? It's a game show, not a political rally. Lighten up!

I never said she said! She's the one that has said she does.

I do not believe in gay rights, or having a gay community or separate gay clubs. We're all human and should be treated as human, all of which is human rights - why segregate ourselves with separate gay clubs and separate rights.

Dont get me confused pls.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Conzors

I never said she said! She's the one that has said she does.

I do not believe in gay rights, or having a gay community or separate gay clubs. We're all human and should be treated as human, all of which is human rights - why segregate ourselves with separate gay clubs and separate rights.

Dont get me confused pls.

"The one thing I wish for is....World peace".

Seriously if they make a Miss congeniality 3 you should defo audition.

[Denver]

Much better representive then Pratez

[Conzors]

Originally Posted by adamski94

Much better representive then Pratez

Yes but going back to MB's point - Perez has a very diva-ish attitude and is very attention seeking and likes being the center of attention - much like a Drag Queen.

[downthechippie]

Originally Posted by adamski94

Much better representive then Pratez

why does the 'gay community' need to have representatives? The 'straight communities' don't need reps. I find all this 'I represent' such and such very egotistical and quite frankly, homophobic in nature.

I mean, why segregate a section of society and make them a 'cause' or a 'special group'.

We are all people. Equality should mean just that. We are all equal.

And Michelle should get over herself and stop being such a prima dona for goodness sake!

[Conzors]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

They thought that any gay member that was attacking Michelle was “pretending to be gay” and that they was pretending so they could be “homophobic.”

Thats the most RIDICULOUS thing ive ever heard haha x

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

I'm not even going to continue this debate.

Have a great day.

Oh no, your one of those people that cant stand it when people have opinions that differ to yours.

Originally Posted by downthechippie

why does the 'gay community' need to have representatives? The 'straight communities' don't need reps. I find all this 'I represent' such and such very egotistical and quite frankly, homophobic in nature.

I mean, why segregate a section of society and make them a 'cause' or a 'special group'.

We are all people. Equality should mean just that. We are all equal.

And Michelle should get over herself and stop being such a prima dona for goodness sake!

Preachhhh

[Conzors]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Its LGBT.

Good day to you sir I am not in the mood to debate today but I thought I should correct you for future reference.

I thought you didnt want to be in the debate anymore because my opinion was different to yours?

You cant always be right, at least LStan is joining in with the debate because he actually has the brain to accept other peoples opinions...

...Good day to you.

[JTM45]

She really is a pathetic woman who thinks she can use a 'community' to make something of herself but if following Hopkins around like a lost sheep is all there is to her then i feel genuine pity for her!
Another 5 years and she can ship herself off to an old folks home where she can play 'Bad Bitches' with all of the other old ladies.

[Angelika]

Originally Posted by JTM45

She really is a pathetic woman who thinks she can use a 'community' to make something of herself but if following Hopkins around like a lost sheep is all there is to her then i feel genuine pity for her!
Another 5 years and she can ship herself off to an old folks home where she can play 'Bad Bitches' with all of the other old ladies.

She doesn't represent anyone but herself.
If she has a "cause" its not coming through effectively, she needs to take lessons from Perez on how to further that cause.

[Northern Monkey]

She represents herself that is all.

[Vanessa]

[elliebrew]

http://giphy.com/gifs/4ryFqe7VR2j7y/html5

[power2thepeople]

Got me thinking Conzers and I'm speaking from my brother's perspective. He is gay and has staged charity drag shows....as you say, for artistic expression and fun in the context of the show and ticket sales/raising money.

The drag persona is a very small part of him as a whole. He wouldn't classify himself as a drag queen but just someone who has the freedom to express himself how he wants when he wants. I do know one thing.....he would find it highly amusing that a straight woman claims to represent 'the gays' on the basis of largely being known for a TV show with RuPaul.

She obviously has good intentions but an over-inflated opinion of her role in life in my opinion.