[Josy]

Activist network Anonymous is planning a day of action to expose establishment child abuse and cover ups.


The group, best known for high-profile computer hacks, has codenamed its latest task 'Operation Death Eaters' and is demanding an end to secrecy around abuse networks.

It says it will collect and then publish mass information on abuse scandals in the UK and around the world in the hope of ensuring people are fully aware of "paedo-sadist" abuse.

A London-based activist, who uses the pseudonym Jake Davis, told Sky News: "This isn't a situation where we are looking to create mayhem. It's about giving the public information so we can confront these problems that go back decades.

"The stories that are coming out are the torture and murder of children with our trusted politicians and that is unacceptable.

More at the link

http://news.sky.com/story/1426605/an...ld-sex-abusers

[Niamh.]

Good on them

[arista]

Give Us the names then
Fella with mask

[Josy]

Originally Posted by arista

Give Us the names then
Fella with mask

Soon.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Josy

Soon.

I can't wait. How about starting a predictions thread?

[Ramsay]

[Livia]

Supporting them when they do something illegal that we approve of makes it harder to disapprove when they do something illegal we don't like.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Livia

Supporting them when they do something illegal that we approve of makes it harder to disapprove when they do something illegal we don't like.

Agree...... a bit like vigilantism we like it when known thieves and muggers are brought down, but when innocent people are attacked by these groups in error then we realise it is a double edged sword.






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[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Agree...... a bit like vigilantism we like it when known thieves and muggers are brought down, but when innocent people are attacked by these groups in error then we realise it is a double edged sword.

That logic is not really applicable in this case is it?

A person cannot accidentally be part of a peadophile ring.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That logic is not really applicable in this case is it?

A person cannot accidentally be part of a peadophile ring.

Yeah.....weak analogy, but you get the jist......






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[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Yeah.....weak analogy, but you get the jist......

No I don't, If there is a way to expose these monsters then I believe there should be support for them. I would of course prefer it if it was the establishment weeding out their own deviants but this will do for me.

[Kizzy]

Such as?...

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Such as?...

I take it you're asking me...

These people break the law. Just because they're doing something we approve of by exposing paedophiles doesn't make them right legally. What if they decide they're going to expose something that threatens our national security, or threatens the safety of operatives working for national security? Lawlessness is not an answer.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Livia

I take it you're asking me...

These people break the law. Just because they're doing something we approve of by exposing paedophiles doesn't make them right legally. What if they decide they're going to expose something that threatens our national security, or threatens the safety of operatives working for national security? Lawlessness is not an answer.

I was up for this Livia at first, but actually thinking about it after reading your post, I have changed my mind.

You are right, you are absolutely right. The Law is the Law. It should be rigid and equitable and either apply to all, or be changed by due process.

As you say; it is wrong to approve breaking the law because of a 'the end justifies the means' mentality, and this 'Hacking' action is fraught with very real dangers - both to our individual liberties and our national security.

I was so eager to learn which political figures were on the list that I did not think it through.

[Mystic Mock]

Well done to them.

[Kizzy]

If if's and but's were candy and nuts.... they aren't threatening national security are they, they're cracking peadophile rings within the establishment that's what we're discussing here.
It's an ethical no brainer and morally when you weigh up the pros and cons of using the technology we have to expose child abusers it's a civic duty to act.... especially when it's those who are making the laws that are breaking them.

[billy123]

Anybody that places "the law" above ethics and morality will most likely be old and behind the times anyway.

I really care more about truth and exposing immorality and corruption that is rife amongst government and law makers.
Anybody protecting kiddy fiddlers because "its the law" or because that's how they make their money are irresponsible or greedy.

As a freeman i have the right to know what the people are elected to lead this country are doing.
I applaud anybody that tells the truth even if it isnt what we want to hear.

[letmein]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Anybody that places "the law" above ethics and morality will most likely be old and behind the times anyway.

Uh, no. Laws are what keep society from crumbling. If you don't like a law, work to change it.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by letmein

Uh, no. Laws are what keep society from crumbling. If you don't like a law, work to change it.

Uh, no.I think you must have imagined a bit where i said no laws
Oh dear. Placing ethics and personal morality above the the law is what gets laws changed you must of misunderstood.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Anybody that places "the law" above ethics and morality will most likely be old and behind the times anyway.

I really care more about truth and exposing immorality and corruption that is rife amongst government and law makers.
Anybody protecting kiddy fiddlers because "its the law" or because that's how they make their money are irresponsible or greedy.

As a freeman i have the right to know what the people are elected to lead this country are doing.
I applaud anybody that tells the truth even if it isnt what we want to hear.

Unlawfully hacking is neither moral nor ethical and it is against the law. Great if they expose paedophiles... not so great if they expose someone who's innocent. They're not going to build a case on evidence, are they. I'm sure everyone's going to applaud what they're doing - this time. Until a paediatrician gets beaten to death by an angry mob or some similar travesty of justice.

These aren't ethical, moral fighters for the truth, they're a bunch of geeks who name their operations after Harry Potter characters.

I feel it's a stretch to assume that everyone who works in the law is working hard to protect paedophiles when the reverse is true. There is nowhere to hide for these people now and I'm glad. But we don't need amateurs outing who they consider guilty and thus jeopardising any case that might be brought against them.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Livia

Unlawfully hacking is neither moral nor ethical and it is against the law. Great if they expose paedophiles... not so great if they expose someone who's innocent. They're not going to build a case on evidence, are they. I'm sure everyone's going to applaud what they're doing - this time. Until a paediatrician gets beaten to death by an angry mob or some similar travesty of justice.

These aren't ethical, moral fighters for the truth, they're a bunch of geeks who name their operations after Harry Potter characters.

I feel it's a stretch to assume that everyone who works in the law is working hard to protect paedophiles when the reverse is true. There is nowhere to hide for these people now and I'm glad. But we don't need amateurs outing who they consider guilty and thus jeopardising any case that might be brought against them.

Well put.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by Livia

Unlawfully hacking is neither moral nor ethical and it is against the law. Great if they expose paedophiles... not so great if they expose someone who's innocent. They're not going to build a case on evidence, are they. I'm sure everyone's going to applaud what they're doing - this time. Until a paediatrician gets beaten to death by an angry mob or some similar travesty of justice.

These aren't ethical, moral fighters for the truth, they're a bunch of geeks who name their operations after Harry Potter characters.

I feel it's a stretch to assume that everyone who works in the law is working hard to protect paedophiles when the reverse is true. There is nowhere to hide for these people now and I'm glad. But we don't need amateurs outing who they consider guilty and thus jeopardising any case that might be brought against them.

You simply fail to understand that these people (call them what you want to demean them its cheap and easy) are not going to convict they will simply lay evidence of paedophilia on the table. What the law does with that evidence is up to them.
When your average joe can find evidence of people touching kids that the law have failed to look at then it becomes an ethical and moral responsibility to put it on the table.
Protecting kiddy fiddlers isnt something to be proud of.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by bobnot

You simply fail to understand that these people (call them what you want to demean them its cheap and easy) are not going to convict they will simply lay evidence of paedophilia on the table. What the law does with that evidence is up to them.
When your average joe can find evidence of people touching kids that the law have failed to look at then it becomes an ethical and moral responsibility to put it on the table.
Protecting a kiddy fiddler isnt something to be proud of.

But the problem then would be if the Govt is protecting Kiddy Fiddlers to use your phrase and this group finds evidence that the Govt agencies couldn't find or decided not to find, the people implicated will face trial by Media not law. and then we are back into the same grey area as before.

Without the full weight of the law backing this group or investigating their findings, their findings alone will not be proof af anything and will not be taken seriously.

Also in the time these findings are made before any official investigation can start the groups or individuals implicated will be furiously covering their tracks and destroying all/any evidence or trails.

The bigger scandal in this if proved true is the fact that wealthy privileged people can bend the law to suit their own evil habits.





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[billy123]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

But the problem then would be if the Govt is protecting Kiddy Fiddlers to use your phrase and this group finds evidence that the Govt agencies couldn't find or decided not to find, the people implicated will face trial by Media not law. and then we are back into the same grey area as before.

Without the full weight of the law backing this group or investigating their findings, their findings alone will not be proof af anything and will not be taken seriously.

Also in the time these findings are made before any official investigation can start the groups or individuals implicated will be furiously covering their tracks and destroying all/any evidence or trails.

The bigger scandal in this if proved true is the fact that wealthy privileged people can bend the law to suit their own evil habits.





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That really is the bigger scandal in all this nedusa. Poor people go to prison whereas Rich and powerful people go to a tribunal.
I really dont think the law is ignoring this problem but they certainly arent pursuing it like they should and if they wont do it then somebody else should.
Why they arent i dont know maybe because these are the people that fund them?

[Pete.]

Wow, they might actually do something good