[Crimson Dynamo]

Misunderstood, hated on for no reason or thieving scumbags

how do you feel and do you know any?

[Firewire]

don't know any so can't judge

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Firewire

don't know any so can't judge

Same as this. I won't let mainstream media or societal reputation generalise a group of people and mislead me into thinking all travelers are all some kind of trashy drunk.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Same as this. I won't let mainstream media or societal reputation generalise a group of people and mislead me into thinking all travelers are all some kind of trashy drunk.

its ignorant to assume everyone opinions on travellers is based on drivel from the talbloids....ive had vast experience dealing with travellers and I speak from these many painful experiences as do many people...these are first hand experiences with a similar pattern throughout.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by the truth

its ignorant to assume everyone opinions on travellers is based on drivel from the talbloids....ive had vast experience dealing with travellers and I speak from these many painful experiences as do many people...these are first hand experiences with a similar pattern throughout.

The problem is, as with other things, its generally the bad types that are most obvious.

I can only speak of the travellers that actually roam around (I know some have more permanent homes, but to me..thats not a traveller ) but for all I know, I have met more than the one group I mentioned but some keep themselves to themselves and just dont shout on about being gypsies like that lot do, if that makes sense?

[Jake.]

A previous shift manager of mine was one... Still friends with her now. One of the kindest people I've ever had the pleasure to meet

[arista]

They should clear up their Rubbish
making sure its in one small section - to be taken away

[Crimson Dynamo]

Youtube video

[the truth]

the vast majority are awful people allowed to break the law at will who rob steal, avoid tax, destroy the environment, allow their ponies to run amock , to abuse beat people up and generally ruin parts of the town

[Livia]

There's a Romany camp not far from me. It's spotless. They restore the old horse-drawn caravans and they're really nice people. It's the scumbags that thieve, dump rubbish and are generally a pain in the arse that makes it bad for all travellers.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

There's a Romany camp not far from me. It's spotless. They restore the old horse-drawn caravans and they're really nice people. It's the scumbags that thieve, dump rubbish and are generally a pain in the arse that makes it bad for all travellers.

Yes they are the Good ones
Respect to them

[Josy]

I do know some yes, there is a family near me that have been here for years, they stayed here when the rest of the travellers moved on, they keep the land they live on spotless, they have horse drawn carts that we see going up and down the road to the shops etc, they have horses in the ground next to them and in the summer they allow the kids to pet/feed them, they are lovely people.

Just like with most things I don't think you can band them all into one category and say 'oh they are all criminals' etc, that's deeply insulting IMO.

[Marsh.]

Like any other group of people, you get the good and the bad.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Like any other group of people, you get the good and the bad.

so why do they have such a terrible reputation and say, Anglicans or Pagans or Morris Dancers or Chinese immigrants or well you get my point..dont?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

so why do they have such a terrible reputation and say, Anglicans or Pagans or Morris Dancers or Chinese immigrants or well you get my point..dont?

Why do the working class have such a terrible reputation? Because people generalise.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Why do the working class have such a terrible reputation? Because people generalise.

Who says they have a terrible rep. Do you mean chavs?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Who says they have a terrible rep. Do you mean chavs?

It's an example.

There are stereotypes and groups of people who get demonised based on generalisations.

You can't lump everyone together.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Who says they have a terrible rep. Do you mean chavs?

Not all chavs are bad

[DemolitionRed]

I was once driving back from my own horses and saw this piebald stallion running down a main road. I had the right gear with me and so I headed after him and managed to catch him. I took him along to the nearest farm and popped him in an empty stable. He’d attracted a real crowd and someone told me the horse belonged to this very notorious gypsy who lived in a very large house further up the road. I drove up to the house and was met at the door by a very intimidating looking skin head withe a thick Irish accent. It was his horse so I offered him a lift down to the farm. When we arrived there were two police cars and a very irate looking farmer’s wife. Up until then the gypsy/tinker had been really nice but I saw the other side of him when the police confronted him; he had no regard for them at all and it was obvious that the police were very intimidated by him.

The police then said they needed to question me about the saddle in the back of my car. Apparently this guy was known for breaking into tack rooms and stealing saddles. Fortunately I had a load of witnesses who explained my involvement.

I’ll always remember the gypsy guys words to me as he left. He told me if I ever needed someone sorting out to come to him because he owed me a favour! I never did take him up on that offer but I have to admit, I was tempted a few times!!

[DemolitionRed]

Tinkers have a bad rep for crime and fly tipping. Gypsies have a reputation for having spotless homes and working for a living.

[Iceman]

Lovely people. I interviewed a member of the travelling community for my thesis. So honest and upfront about his life and how he's been treated.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Iceman

Lovely people. I interviewed a member of the travelling community for my thesis. So honest and upfront about his life and how he's been treated.

so you are basing your view on one person?

[Crimson Dynamo]

It is not racist to state that gypsy camps frequently cause an increase in crime and mess - it is a statement of fact

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...#ixzz3S82P29DD

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

It is not racist to state that gypsy camps frequently cause an increase in crime and mess - it is a statement of fact

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...#ixzz3S82P29DD

The gospel according to St Mail.

Gypsy, chav, immigrant, lone parents.. there's a proverb for all

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The gospel according to St Mail.

Gypsy, chav, immigrant, lone parents.. there's a proverb for all

Why is the truth so horrendous? Why does other people's very honest depictions of personal direct experiences incite such mockery and denial? Why do they invoke such veiled accusations of racism, right wing extremism, or even allegations of lying?

A) There are clean, animal loving, law abiding, respectful Gypsies/Travelers.

B) Then, there are dirty, thieving, animal abusing, lawless, Gypsies/Travelers who do not respect anyone or anything, and who leave previously scenic tracts of countryside littered with refuse, the cost of clearing and restoration of which falls to those hard pressed locals who pay rates - unlike the perpetrators who pay neither rates nor income tax.

A) There are lone parents who are rendered single by often unfortunate or even tragic circumstances who - having brought children in to the world - work hard, make personal sacrifices, and struggle with limited resources to raise those children to be as educated, respectful, and decent as any children from the best of more affluent, two parent families.

B) Then there are ignorant, lazy, moral-less lone parent mothers on benefits who breed children like flies as a result of unprotected casual sex with many different partners - all as ignorant, lazy, and moral-less as her and none of whom have any concerns at all for the children they have created, and none of whom 'stick around' to fulfill 'parental' responsibilities as a result.

The children are often 'dragged up', often poorly educated and without any kind of moral instruction or respect for others, or respect for the law, and they learn by example; the girls often going on to become single mothers on benefits at a very early age with multiple children to different fathers, and the boys often go on to a life on benefits and to 'father' multiple children to different partners and end up as criminals, drug addicts or alcoholics.

A) There are immigrants who come to the UK from war-torn, or economically deprived countries, or to escape murderous medieval regimes, for a better life in a democracy. They respect our laws, respect our way of life and they work hard - often undertaking low paid menial or laborious jobs - and they become decent patriotic citizens who contribute to society.

B) Then there are immigrants who flock here to exploit our very lax benefit systems, and to start up very lucrative criminal enterprises from running brothels staffed by Eastern European girls, to Cannabis Farming and illegal Taxi Firms, to Drug Dealing.

These immigrants receive benefits and do not pay taxes on their illegal earnings, and they do not pay Council Tax. They do not have any respect for us or our laws - in fact the great majority have a sneering contempt for us - and they operate largely untroubled by our police because of the irrational and obsequious Political Correctness which has permeated every facet of our society.

B) Then there are the certain type of immigrants who continue to come here for more grave purposes; to swell the numbers of covert Islamic fundamentalists who are already here. But enough has been written of them already.

Now, please answer me as to why, when anyone mentions any of the facts concerning those in B) above - even if their opinion is based upon the most extensive of first hand direct experience - it is always irrationally and hysterically perceived as being a 'fascist', 'right wing', or 'racist' attack on those in A) above?

Both those in A) and B) are TRUTHS, and one truth does not negate another.

Blanket denial is plain ludicrous. Fat, greedy, lazy promiscuous, benefit scrounging moral-less single mothers as in B) above, exist - they are real - but to state as much from personal knowledge is not an attack on those single mothers who are outlined under A) above, and it should never be wrongly perceived as such or misconstrued or misrepresented as such.

Devious, non respectful and ungrateful immigrants who come here to exploit our benefits system or for more sinister purposes as in B) above exist - they are real - but to state as much from personal knowledge is not an attack on those immigrants outlined in A) above, or an attack on all immigrants, and it should never be wrongly perceived as such or misconstrued or misrepresented as such.

It is the same with total and instant dismissal out of hand of all articles from certain newspapers. Yes, all newspapers have a mild intrinsic political or general bias, but that does not automatically mean that any article in a given newspaper is completely irrelevant or completely untruthful just because it does not readily dovetail into one's personal staunch ideologies.

No newspaper would be in existence for very long if all it did was publish falsehoods for its own personal political propaganda purposes.

So whilst not everything in the Mail is gospel, it is no less authoritative generally as is the Morning Star - in fact, probably far more so - and while other's direct personal experiences may not be everyone's direct personal experience, it does not mean that their testimony is fabricated or exaggerated.