[Crimson Dynamo]

It is not racist to state that gypsy camps frequently cause an increase in crime and mess - it is a statement of fact

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[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

It is not racist to state that gypsy camps frequently cause an increase in crime and mess - it is a statement of fact

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The gospel according to St Mail.

Gypsy, chav, immigrant, lone parents.. there's a proverb for all

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The gospel according to St Mail.

Gypsy, chav, immigrant, lone parents.. there's a proverb for all

Why is the truth so horrendous? Why does other people's very honest depictions of personal direct experiences incite such mockery and denial? Why do they invoke such veiled accusations of racism, right wing extremism, or even allegations of lying?

A) There are clean, animal loving, law abiding, respectful Gypsies/Travelers.

B) Then, there are dirty, thieving, animal abusing, lawless, Gypsies/Travelers who do not respect anyone or anything, and who leave previously scenic tracts of countryside littered with refuse, the cost of clearing and restoration of which falls to those hard pressed locals who pay rates - unlike the perpetrators who pay neither rates nor income tax.

A) There are lone parents who are rendered single by often unfortunate or even tragic circumstances who - having brought children in to the world - work hard, make personal sacrifices, and struggle with limited resources to raise those children to be as educated, respectful, and decent as any children from the best of more affluent, two parent families.

B) Then there are ignorant, lazy, moral-less lone parent mothers on benefits who breed children like flies as a result of unprotected casual sex with many different partners - all as ignorant, lazy, and moral-less as her and none of whom have any concerns at all for the children they have created, and none of whom 'stick around' to fulfill 'parental' responsibilities as a result.

The children are often 'dragged up', often poorly educated and without any kind of moral instruction or respect for others, or respect for the law, and they learn by example; the girls often going on to become single mothers on benefits at a very early age with multiple children to different fathers, and the boys often go on to a life on benefits and to 'father' multiple children to different partners and end up as criminals, drug addicts or alcoholics.

A) There are immigrants who come to the UK from war-torn, or economically deprived countries, or to escape murderous medieval regimes, for a better life in a democracy. They respect our laws, respect our way of life and they work hard - often undertaking low paid menial or laborious jobs - and they become decent patriotic citizens who contribute to society.

B) Then there are immigrants who flock here to exploit our very lax benefit systems, and to start up very lucrative criminal enterprises from running brothels staffed by Eastern European girls, to Cannabis Farming and illegal Taxi Firms, to Drug Dealing.

These immigrants receive benefits and do not pay taxes on their illegal earnings, and they do not pay Council Tax. They do not have any respect for us or our laws - in fact the great majority have a sneering contempt for us - and they operate largely untroubled by our police because of the irrational and obsequious Political Correctness which has permeated every facet of our society.

B) Then there are the certain type of immigrants who continue to come here for more grave purposes; to swell the numbers of covert Islamic fundamentalists who are already here. But enough has been written of them already.

Now, please answer me as to why, when anyone mentions any of the facts concerning those in B) above - even if their opinion is based upon the most extensive of first hand direct experience - it is always irrationally and hysterically perceived as being a 'fascist', 'right wing', or 'racist' attack on those in A) above?

Both those in A) and B) are TRUTHS, and one truth does not negate another.

Blanket denial is plain ludicrous. Fat, greedy, lazy promiscuous, benefit scrounging moral-less single mothers as in B) above, exist - they are real - but to state as much from personal knowledge is not an attack on those single mothers who are outlined under A) above, and it should never be wrongly perceived as such or misconstrued or misrepresented as such.

Devious, non respectful and ungrateful immigrants who come here to exploit our benefits system or for more sinister purposes as in B) above exist - they are real - but to state as much from personal knowledge is not an attack on those immigrants outlined in A) above, or an attack on all immigrants, and it should never be wrongly perceived as such or misconstrued or misrepresented as such.

It is the same with total and instant dismissal out of hand of all articles from certain newspapers. Yes, all newspapers have a mild intrinsic political or general bias, but that does not automatically mean that any article in a given newspaper is completely irrelevant or completely untruthful just because it does not readily dovetail into one's personal staunch ideologies.

No newspaper would be in existence for very long if all it did was publish falsehoods for its own personal political propaganda purposes.

So whilst not everything in the Mail is gospel, it is no less authoritative generally as is the Morning Star - in fact, probably far more so - and while other's direct personal experiences may not be everyone's direct personal experience, it does not mean that their testimony is fabricated or exaggerated.