[Z]

Do you think there's still value in teenagers and young adults (or mature students!) getting a degree?

[LeatherTrumpet]

no

the minute they started making up unis and colleges the arse fell out of the kudos

"Oh I have a first class degree in Media Studies at the University of Castlemilk"

"aye right hen, huv you ever worked in a shop before? coz if ye huvny ye can do one and take yer degree way ye"

[Tom4784]

I imagine they'd make for decent drink coasters.

[Jay.]

Depends on which career. I'm going into teaching so it's necessary for me to get a degree. But some, you could probably do without I suppose.

[LeatherTrumpet]

University of Bedfordshire
University of Central Lancashire
University of Cumbria
Edge Hill University
University of Essex
Glyndŵr University
Leeds Beckett University
Liverpool Hope University
University of Portsmouth
etc

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

University of Bedfordshire
University of Central Lancashire
University of Cumbria
Edge Hill University
University of Essex
Glyndŵr University
Leeds Beckett University
Liverpool Hope University
University of Portsmouth
etc

Do you have a degree LT?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Do you have a degree LT?

yes

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes

I don't mean in rescuing flies from whisky...

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I don't mean in rescuing flies from whisky...

i have a hons degree in Geography from a well established and highly respected Scottish Uni by the sea

(obviously from a time when that meant something)

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

University of Portsmouth

rude

But no I'm sat in the library right now procrastinating on an essay that's due Tuesday and that I have no motivation to do (along with another 3000 word piece) and I'm wondering just what is the point

So this thread is probably badly timed

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

rude

But no I'm sat in the library right now procrastinating on an essay that's due Tuesday and that I have no motivation to do (along with another 3000 word piece) and I'm wondering just what is the point

So this thread is probably badly timed

My daughter graduates from Lancaster uni shortly and she almost gave up 100 times Keep at it jack, 3000 words is nothing it's 2 sides of A4... piece of pis

(hope that's some motivation)

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jack_

rude

But no I'm sat in the library right now procrastinating on an essay that's due Tuesday and that I have no motivation to do (along with another 3000 word piece) and I'm wondering just what is the point

So this thread is probably badly timed

Jack Go with Your Heart

[Kizzy]

Of course there is, it shows you can dedicate yourself to 3yrs of study and have the skills set to apply yourself in theory and in practice.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Z

Do you think there's still value in teenagers and young adults (or mature students!) getting a degree?

Maybe later on in Life.


But Now we need Grafters
not fecking Lazy Students


Feel The Force

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by arista

Maybe later on in Life.


But Now we need Grafters
not fecking Lazy Students


Feel The Force

yes, 10 hours a week?

disgusting when when need to stimulate the economy

[joeysteele]

Yes, in my view.
However, I was swayed recently by what another member said as to heading straight to Uni and not really thinking more about what degree to go for.

I went to straight to Uni and got all I hoped for,I am aware too however that for some, more time between finishing education then going to Uni can be a good thing.

The important thing for me and I would say possibly for others is to go for a degree because you want to after analysing and thinking about all other options open as well.

[Vicky.]

Depends what you want to do. Obviously for lawyers and that its all essential. But in general, degrees are useless and I do think a lot of people go to uni just for the lifestyle rather than giving a damn about education

[Calderyon]

Only if you continue studying. In terms of job getting, employers favor vocational/career school more.

At least that´s how it is out here.

[Toy Soldier]

Well it depends. Some careers, obviously, you can't even start without a degree. Other positions are "graduate only" with any degree. For example, my degree was pretty useless when I graduated and had no practical experience to back it up. I didn't need one to start at the company I'm at now and just learned on the job up to manager. But now that I have management experience too, there are possibilities for moving into other management roles that require both a degree and management experience to even apply, that I couldn't have gotten when I had no experience, but likewise couldn't get now if I didn't have a degree...

Hmmmm.

Basically if I was to apply for one of these positions, I suspect my experience would be my selling point and more relevant to actually doing the job, but having a degree is a prerequisite to applying at all.

Then again, there are a lot of things that have come very easily to me in my current job that others at the same management level struggle with. Writing up reports, spreadsheets and stats, actually understanding how the business and the industry works on a deeper level, even just how to communicate efficiently and professionally. All things I'd been doing for years coming out of University.

Tl;dr it's been useful to me even though my starting position wasn't graduate employment, and even though most people at my level in the company don't have a degree.

[Livia]

My degree's been worth quite a lot. I suppose the only way to evaluate it is how well you use it once you've got it.

[lily.]

Originally Posted by Z

Do you think there's still value in teenagers and young adults (or mature students!) getting a degree?

It depends on the degree.

[Livia]

I'd say, if you're still unemployed five years after you graduate then you've probably wasted your time.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'd say, if you're still unemployed five years after you graduate then you've probably wasted your time.

I don't know, depends if the person is being fussy. I knew a guy who got a 1st in something Music related from Oxford... he was then unemployed for something like 7 years (living off mum & dad, not the state) even though he had not only had employment opportunities - but plenty of GRADUATE employment opportunities - but turned them all down because they weren't "music related".

The flipside of the "idle benefits folk" is that there are plenty of silver spoon / trust fund kiddies who get good degrees but when it comes down to it, don't actually want to work, and already have money. You just don't hear as much about those because they are funded by their families rather than by the state.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't know, depends if the person is being fussy. I knew a guy who got a 1st in something Music related from Oxford... he was then unemployed for something like 7 years (living off mum & dad, not the state) even though he had not only had employment opportunities - but plenty of GRADUATE employment opportunities - but turned them all down because they weren't "music related".

The flipside of the "idle benefits folk" is that there are plenty of silver spoon / trust fund kiddies who get good degrees but when it comes down to it, don't actually want to work, and already have money. You just don't hear as much about those because they are funded by their families rather than by the state.

Not having a related job after 7 years would suggest to me he picked the wrong degree or just wasn't good enough in his area. And like you say, a good degree opens up opportunities in lots of areas, I've had a couple of great jobs that haven't been law-related. I suppose as a taxpayer I don't care so much about idle people who fund themselves because I'm not ultimately paying for them through taxation. And the idle rich are pretty unemployable anyway in my experience.

[LeatherTrumpet]

I guess you have to ask yoiurself why are you doing it.

ie does the profession you wish to enter require it?

If you are just avoiding work, or for the social life, to meet new people etc then dont bother and get a job