[zakman440]

Natalie Bennett, Nick Clegg, Nigel Farage, Ed Miliband, Nicola Sturgeon, Leanne Wood or David Cameron?

[Black Dagger]

Slay Nat slay.

[kirklancaster]

Nigel's SINCERITY shines through and the COMMON SENSE of what he is saying is glaring..

Milliband's biggest problem is this:

His pitch, tone and inflexion of voice is almost IDENTICAL to 'Tory Poster Boy' TONY BLAIR.

Go back to his opening spiel and mentally superimpose Blair's face on Ed's - you'll see what i mean.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Nigel's SINCERITY shines through and the COMMON SENSE of what he is saying is glaring..

Milliband's biggest problem is this:

His pitch, tone and inflexion of voice is almost IDENTICAL to 'Tory Poster Boy' TONY BLAIR.

Go back to his opening spiel and mentally superimpose Blair's face on Ed's - you'll see what i mean.

EXACTLY...the similarities are frightening

[Vicky.]

Farage for me, surprisingly

Followed by Clegg, but I know cleggs full of rubbish

[the truth]

the questions were pathetic....immigration again really? nhs ? same old...nothing about corrupt councils , endless waste, road works ruining towns, nothing on the enslavement tax VAT, nothing on high rates ruining towns....nothing even on wars, barely a word for the disabled either


farage is way ahead for sincerity common sense and not playing to the audience like most of the other fakes. he was spot on.

sturgeon has made a few tidy points especially about merging the social and health care as I mentioned in another thread. she failed on Europe though

Cameron solid. he underlined the changes hes made and the fact Europeans wont be allowed benefits straight away nor send child benefits home etc but he slipped up on taxing the disabled he didn't deny it was going to happen

miiiband is just awful. a poor mans blair. he wants to legislate us into bankruptcy. he was smug preachy arrogant and chatting s*it the whole time. everything he claimed he wants to stop he actually encouraged in government. he built the economy with the gap between rich and poor biggest in 200 years? he also failed to address the failure of welsh nhs under labour who have CUT budgets and increased burocracy and middle management. what a joke he is.

Leanne wood average, though strangely attractive...she did nail miliband on zero hours contracts though fair play..new labour were using them and never stopped them lol...it was odd to hear wales actually mentioned much in these debates...lets hope the northern irish get a look in next time..she rightly said wales gave the nhs to the world which is true with neu bevan and Lloyd George...but a lot of her other stuff was too predictable and lacked depth

clegg came across as even faker than miliband, hes just so smug and sanctimonious
the green peace lady made a few half valid points but she lives on la la land. her sums will never ever add up.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by the truth

Leanne wood average, though strangely attractive...

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

no?

[Daniel-X]

after watching the debate I'm really unsure of who to vote my mum and dad have always voted labour and his is my second year voting last time I didn't chose to vote which I regret but I didn't really have an idea at 19. I'm really against UKIP and the Green Party, Scottish independence party and Welsh party mean nothing to me. I can't stand David Cameron

For me after judging all the policies I think I'm either going to vote Labour or the Lib-Dems. Probably end up voting labour but I can't say none are really making me want to vote for them.

[Mystic Mock]

I think that Leanne is quite underrated in this debate imo.

She questioned both Labour and Tories on their dangerous Policies, she seemed to have Wales as her interest, and she came up with a very strong EU Referendum plan.

[MTVN]

Ultimately after May 7 only 4 of these leaders are going to be relevant (Farage is not one of them btw) and of those Miliband and Clegg were the best

[Daniel-X]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Ultimately after May 7 only 4 of these leaders are going to be relevant (Farage is not one of them btw) and of those Miliband and Clegg were the best

[Daniel-X]

I've just realised I've sort of got the question wrong. Tonight even though I won't vote for them Nicola Stuergon shined through as a real strong leader I felt and I perosnalky felt that Clegg did also. Meanwhile Farage just seemed to sort every policy out by blaming it on immigration. Miliband unfortunately is too weak of a leader for labour.

[empire]

I wish alan bastard, was a real person, if he was their, it would be great laugh, nigel farage is the new statesman.

[zakman440]

Honestly, I think that Nicola Sturgeon won the debate in the end, closley followed by Leanne Wood and Ed Miliband.

[the truth]

sturgeon was solid but weak on Europe.

[Kizzy]

I really like Nicola, I really hope it's a Labour /SNP coalition

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I really like Nicola, I really hope it's a Labour /SNP coalition

I would love to see that too Kizzy,going on a road with more fairness,justice and compassion would be a breath of fresh air and I think a great success in the end too.

What she did last night was to allay fears of those,well, those who were willing to listen that is, that the SNP is not going to be a wrecking force at westminster but a strongly committed one to more 'understanding' policies across the whole of the UK.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I really like Nicola, I really hope it's a Labour /SNP coalition

Kirk sets off with a van load of sand and cement to begin rebuilding Hadrian's Wall.

[kirklancaster]

Sorry, but I just think there's something 'fishy' about Nicola Sturgeon. Oh, and Farage didn't 'walk out' he stayed and slayed.

[bots]

Nicola had prepared well and spoke well, don't trust her at all though.

Given that Cameron had the record to defend, he should have been hamstrung by the others, and he really wasn't. Nothing was thrown at him that he couldn't answer. Miliband was as bland as ever. With Nigel, some of his prejudices came poking through, more will come out over the next few weeks. Underwhelmed.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Kirk sets off with a van load of sand and cement to begin rebuilding Hadrian's Wall.

Scotland is still part of the UK and since the UK asks and expects the Scots to vote in westminster elections, then if the Scots choose to elect large numbers of the SNP, that is democracy.
They then should have every right to fight for Scotland and to influence all they can as to govt; at westminster as much as anyone else elected to westminster in a democratic election.

Why also should a party that has seen its voters almost wipe out entirely the Conservative representation there,then be expected to in any way help shore it up in govt;
For Scotland and Wales, the Labour party will be the main UK party that gets the higher support of the 3 present main parties n those countries,so why should the SNP and Plaid Cymru not be able to, as full members of the UK, work with the party more in line with their policies, and keep the one a world away from what they would like to see 'out' if they can.

Or is it that the UK just should have one form of govt;
No wonder we cannot get changes to the voting system in the UK with views like that,which would discriminate against parties legitimately elected in democratic elections for westminster, from 'all' the parts and all countries of the UK.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Scotland is still part of the UK and since the UK asks and expects the Scots to vote in westminster elections, then if the Scots choose to elect large numbers of the SNP, that is democracy.
They then should have every right to fight for Scotland and to influence all they can as to govt; at westminster as much as anyone else elected to westminster in a democratic election.

Why also should a party that has seen its voters almost wipe out entirely the Conservative representation there,then be expected to in any way help shore it up in govt;
For Scotland and Wales, the Labour party will be the main UK party that gets the higher support of the 3 present main parties n those countries,so why should the SNP and Plaid Cymru not be able to, as full members of the UK, work with the party more in line with their policies, and keep the one a world away from what they would like to see 'out' if they can.

Or is it that the UK just should have one form of govt;
No wonder we cannot get changes to the voting system in the UK with views like that,which would discriminate against parties legitimately elected in democratic elections for westminster, from 'all' the parts and all countries of the UK.

Joey, I put the 'Joker' emoticon on the end of my statement to illustrate it was a 'light-hearted' post.

That said, I would hate the thought of a Labour/SNP coalition government.

Labour -- A party which has had infinite terms in office, and who has NEVER delivered on its pre-Election promises, and who are as culpable as the Tories in initiating, continuing with, or supporting policies which have not only DAMAGED this country, but also inflicted great penury on the most vulnerable classes of society - the very class which they purport to be 'The Protectors' of.

The SNP -- A party whose very 'raison d'etre' is the fracturing of the United Kingdom, seriously 'passing themselves off' as THE most fitting party to govern that very same UK?

What a combination.

I'm sorry but I feel that after more than 60 years of the same tedious inefficiency, corruption and clueless-ness, it is time for a 'sea change'. Time to pull the rug completely from beneath the complacent feet of the big two. Time to give Nigel Farage a chance.

No sane impartial person can fault Farage on what he says he is going to do, and therefore, the only reasons his detractors 'hang out' there are wildly speculative 'boogeyman' scare stories of what he will do if he ever gets into power.

Once again, I am sorry but the above 'he might do' hypothesising does not persuade when held against the historical realities of the track record of what the Labour and Tory parties actually did and didn't do when they were in power. Especially when - if Farage does not deliver, or if he turns 'extreme' once in power - we have the vote to remove him, and any damage inflicted by such policies over one solitary term in office, is but a 'feather stroke' in comparison to 60 years of damaging 'non-government' from the other parties.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Joey, I put the 'Joker' emoticon on the end of my statement to illustrate it was a 'light-hearted' post.

That said, I would hate the thought of a Labour/SNP coalition government.

Labour -- A party which has had infinite terms in office, and who has NEVER delivered on its pre-Election promises, and who are as culpable as the Tories in initiating, continuing with, or supporting policies which have not only DAMAGED this country, but also inflicted great penury on the most vulnerable classes of society - the very class which they purport to be 'The Protectors' of.

The SNP -- A party whose very 'raison d'etre' is the fracturing of the United Kingdom, seriously 'passing themselves off' as THE most fitting party to govern that very same UK?

What a combination.

I'm sorry but I feel that after more than 60 years of the same tedious inefficiency, corruption and clueless-ness, it is time for a 'sea change'. Time to pull the rug completely from beneath the complacent feet of the big two. Time to give Nigel Farage a chance.

No sane impartial person can fault Farage on what he says he is going to do, and therefore, the only reasons his detractors 'hang out' there are wildly speculative 'boogeyman' scare stories of what he will do if he ever gets into power.

Once again, I am sorry but the above 'he might do' hypothesising does not persuade when held against the historical realities of the track record of what the Labour and Tory parties actually did and didn't do when they were in power. Especially when - if Farage does not deliver, or if he turns 'extreme' once in power - we have the vote to remove him, and any damage inflicted by such policies over one solitary term in office, is but a 'feather stroke' in comparison to 60 years of damaging 'non-government' from the other parties.

Well my totally disastrous combination and result would be the Conservatives around 10 to 15 seats short and then backed up in govt; by UKIP and the DUP.
I would just about rather have any result other than that one.

If we look at the main parties, in the main to keep his party happier, Cameron has embarked on some of the most rotten imaginable policies possible,Labour too in govt; have done the same to keep certain sections of their party happy too.

Nigel Farage may mean well but he has difficulty with a handful of European MPs and from what I ahve ehard and seen revealed as to the thinking of candidates for UKIP, I am filled with suspicions as to what this one man Farage could do against a whole set of MPs with views like we have heard over the last few years.

Of course for me, I don't want to leave the EU and also am not in the slightest bothered about a referendum as to same.

However, Nigel Farage makes a great play on free speech and democracy,yet he does not want 16 and 17 year olds to have a vote in any referendum.
Why not, probably because in the main the younger in UK society appear to lean more to being part of Europe not out of it.
Also he indicates,those here from other countries, who are working here, registered to vote too but not of British origin should also not have a vote in a referendum.

That starts to sound like strong discrimination actually and borders on dicatatorship too.
So a definite no thank you from me, to Nigel Farage and UKIP,I still believe as a great many probably do,that they have an unpleasant hidden agenda behind their smiles.

The SNP have also never once said they will want another referendum for support at westminster but for me, why should they not have it,they were conned by the 3 party eladers when it looked like Cameron was going to preside over the first break up of the UK.
Now the Scots have voted to stay, we get some of the little englanders screaming they should have no say as to power in westminster.
What utter hypocrisy, we wanted them to stay in the UK but now expect them to do nothing and keep quiet.
Says a lot for the UK and its idea of democracy that does.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I would hate the thought of a Labour/SNP coalition government.

Labour -- A party which has had infinite terms in office, and who has NEVER delivered on its pre-Election promises, and who are as culpable as the Tories in initiating, continuing with, or supporting policies which have not only DAMAGED this country, but also inflicted great penury on the most vulnerable classes of society - the very class which they purport to be 'The Protectors' of.

The SNP -- A party whose very 'raison d'etre' is the fracturing of the United Kingdom, seriously 'passing themselves off' as THE most fitting party to govern that very same UK?

What a combination.

I'm sorry but I feel that after more than 60 years of the same tedious inefficiency, corruption and clueless-ness, it is time for a 'sea change'. Time to pull the rug completely from beneath the complacent feet of the big two. Time to give Nigel Farage a chance.

No sane impartial person can fault Farage on what he says he is going to do, and therefore, the only reasons his detractors 'hang out' there are wildly speculative 'boogeyman' scare stories of what he will do if he ever gets into power.

Once again, I am sorry but the above 'he might do' hypothesising does not persuade when held against the historical realities of the track record of what the Labour and Tory parties actually did and didn't do when they were in power. Especially when - if Farage does not deliver, or if he turns 'extreme' once in power - we have the vote to remove him, and any damage inflicted by such policies over one solitary term in office, is but a 'feather stroke' in comparison to 60 years of damaging 'non-government' from the other parties.

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