[the truth]

theres vast enormous under current of support for farage
the vast majority agree with him but are too scared to admit it in public , but will admit it in private.
this is a legacy of pc Britain under new labour where conversations were outlawed and free speech destroyed as our civil rights were destroyed
we ended up with child benefits being sent to india and Romania, to 60% of hiv patients being from abroad, to net immigration of over 300,000 a year

this support is enormous, you ask people one to one in private its incredible how much support there is for farage BUT lots speak of their fear for some lunatics he may have behind him

[Firewire]

Less than people think

[Shaun]

Did think about 15 a month or two ago, now I'd only say about 7.

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Did think about 15 a month or two ago, now I'd only say about 7.

yeah less than 10 i think

[JoshBB]

4-9 imo, between that range

[MTVN]

More than 5 and I'll be amazed. IMO their election hopes are looking pretty unstable, you'd think their best hopes are the two Tory defectors and Farage. Carswell should be fine of the Tory defectors but seems like he could be less sure of his decision than he was, and Reckless' hold on his seat isn't that strong. Even Farage looks like he could be in danger of not winning his seat and tbh Ukip lack many other politicians of any decent standing. I'll say that they win 3

[Mystic Mock]

From my experience it's the right wing politics that's more “PC” than the left, just go back to my thread about Perez being Jesus Christ.

But onto the topic I think that Farage will win the Looney Party about 8 to 10 extra seats.

[bots]

I would estimate 2 or 3 seats

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

From my experience it's the right wing politics that's more “PC” than the left, just go back to my thread about Perez being Jesus Christ.

But onto the topic I think that Farage will win the Looney Party about 8 to 10 extra seats.

what complete nonsense , no offence, but labour and new labour especially virtually invented PC and destroyed free speech

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by the truth

what complete nonsense , no offence, but labour and new labour especially virtually invented PC and destroyed free speech

They both don't allow free speech on different things, I do personally however think that the extreme right wing parties like UKIP and BNP like to be allowed to say their opinion, but not allow the opposition to say that it's wrong in their opinion, I have not seen a left wing person do that quite as much as I have seen the right do it.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

They both don't allow free speech on different things, I do personally however think that the extreme right wing parties like UKIP and BNP like to be allowed to say their opinion, but not allow the opposition to say that it's wrong in their opinion, I have not seen a left wing person do that quite as much as I have seen the right do it.

You make a fair point, UKIP believe in free speech and democracy,when it suits them ,not when it can work against them.
They for instance don't want 16 and 17 year olds to have a vote in any in/out referendum on the EU,that is because it is perceived that the younger sections of society are more likely in favour of being in the EU.
UKIP also doesn't want anyone, not of British origin who is working here, living here and that have even been here for ages and who are registered to vote in elections,to also not have a vote in an in/ out referendum.
So rights as to democracy and free speech seem to be likely only going to be allowed if it falls in the more agreement section with UKIP.

Anyway to the question, I think UKIP will have a minimum 2 seats, probably 5 and no more than 7.
They would need Labour and the Conservatives to be down to around 31% each and for them to be on around 22% to even get to that.
I don't see that happening myself.

[Rob!]

I'm hoping it's going to be similar to how the Lib Dems did last general election when there was loads of seats expected for them to win and they did awfully.

[empire]

nigel farage and his party will shock alot of people, just how far they will go in the polls, on may, lib dems are finished, they had 1st place or second place, close to their fingers, in 2010, but they made a cock up big time. I think ukip will have nearly 2 milliom votes in their pocket.

[DemolitionRed]

Not many. UKIP are relying on peoples naivety. The majority will never vote for political fools.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Not many. UKIP are relying on peoples naivety. The majority will never vote for political fools.

Oh really? How do we account for; Neville Chamberlain, Edward Heath, John Major, Tony Blair?

[kirklancaster]

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Oh really? How do we account for; Neville Chamberlain, Edward Heath, John Major, Tony Blair?

They all promised something that enough of the people wanted. Votes gathered on a false promise is something we all know about.

Whilst I can appreciate that UKIP are like a cat amongst the pigeons, their politics are weak and wishy-washy.

[Livia]

I'm not sure they'll win that many seats; a few maybe. But what they are going to do is split the vote and affect the outcome of the election.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm not sure they'll win that many seats; a few maybe. But what they are going to do is split the vote and affect the outcome of the election.

Even were they not to win many seats this time, they will increasingly win more seats as the other two parties are increasingly found NOT to be able to address the very real concerns of the British public concerning the EU and unfettered immigration.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Even were they not to win many seats this time, they will increasingly win more seats as the other two parties are increasingly found NOT to be able to address the very real concerns of the British public concerning the EU and unfettered immigration.

Interestingly, only one party is offering an in/out referendum on Europe, allowing the public to decide our future in the EU and that party is not UKIP. The Tories are slowly waking up to the fact that we have finite resources and hundreds of thousands of incomers every year puts an unbearable strain on our infrastructure.

I personally want out of Europe. For a long time I hadn't formed an opinion but now having satisfied myself on the question I have come out against the EU. As I said on another thread, we do more business with the US than we do with the EU and we have a whole Commonwealth that's not being used in a way beneficial to everyone because we're spending all out time trying to fit into Europe... which we don't. Sadly I believe that UKIP has gained strength because of the fact that no one is allowed to have an adult discussion about immigration because they get labelled racists and xenophobes. UKIP started the conversation and people picked up on it. Sadly the name-calling is still going on. There must be a discussion about immigration though, and I say that as the descendant of refugees.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

we do more business with the US than we do with the EU.

I have no idea which UKIP pamphlet you read this in but you are massively misinformed.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I have no idea which UKIP pamphlet you read this in but you are massively misinformed.

I find it a little insulting that you would assume I would get my opinions from a UKIP leaflet.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Livia

Interestingly, only one party is offering an in/out referendum on Europe, allowing the public to decide our future in the EU and that party is not UKIP. The Tories are slowly waking up to the fact that we have finite resources and hundreds of thousands of incomers every year puts an unbearable strain on our infrastructure.

I personally want out of Europe. For a long time I hadn't formed an opinion but now having satisfied myself on the question I have come out against the EU. As I said on another thread, we do more business with the US than we do with the EU and we have a whole Commonwealth that's not being used in a way beneficial to everyone because we're spending all out time trying to fit into Europe... which we don't. Sadly I believe that UKIP has gained strength because of the fact that no one is allowed to have an adult discussion about immigration because they get labelled racists and xenophobes. UKIP started the conversation and people picked up on it. Sadly the name-calling is still going on. There must be a discussion about immigration though, and I say that as the descendant of refugees.

Greens have offered an in/out referendum.
Tories have offered an in/out referendum.
UKIP have offered an in/out referendum.
Liberal Democrats have offered an in/out referendum. (but why trust them lmao)

not just one party

[Livia]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Greens have offered an in/out referendum.
Tories have offered an in/out referendum.
UKIP have offered an in/out referendum.
Liberal Democrats have offered an in/out referendum. (but why trust them lmao)

not just one party

Only one party is offering a referendum Josh. One. Only.

[user104658]

Not many, because this statement:

Originally Posted by the truth

the vast majority agree with him but are too scared to admit it in public

...is absolute nonsense.