[Crimson Dynamo]

The Office for National Statistics said this was a "statistically significant" rise of more than 109,000 compared with the previous year.

There were increases in both EU and non-EU migration, with the total figure close to 2005's all-time high.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32816454
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and we have no idea the number of illegals either



and yet when UKIP bring this scandal to our attention they get called racist. you could not make it up.

[bots]

And there will be a referendum within the next 2 years where we will be given an opportunity to decide if we wish it to continue in the EU or not. UKIP offer nothing

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

And there will be a referendum within the next 2 years where we will be given an opportunity to decide if we wish it to continue in the EU or not. UKIP offer nothing

Cameron has been promising a referendum for the past few years and still nothing.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

Cameron has been promising a referendum for the past few years and still nothing.

He will have to now jennyjuniper,he cannot now say he hasn't got the parliamentary arithmetic,now that Labour have said they will back him on having a referendum.
It will have to happen now, he is really in a corner as to that now.

[arista]

http://news.sky.com/story/1488125/re...nces-clampdown


Stopping Illegal migrants
is key



The PM is Live now on all media

[joeysteele]

Near record levels to be fair to him and this govt. almost back to 2005 levels.
His supposed clampdown on illegal immigrants,if the authorities can ever find them that is, without any new staffing numbers or more funding,is still not going to alter by a single individual the 'official' and known figures announced today.
None of any illegal immigrants are in those figures whatsoever.

[arista]

Ch5HDNews
just showed Police arresting a illegal
in a house - from today.


Yes David its started
Keep up the good work.

[Kizzy]

Isn't there a thread on this already? Lot's of immigration based paranoia at the moment isn't there?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Isn't there a thread on this already? Lot's of immigration based paranoia at the moment isn't there?

This thread I made as the PM went Live
a mod can merge it with LT's
but I do not care


Kizzy its not Paranoia
having 300,000 Illegals here
you Fecking New Labour started this mess

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

This thread I made as the PM went Live
a mod can merge it with LT's
but I do not care


Kizzy its not Paranoia
having 300,000 Illegals here
you Fecking New Labour started this mess

And the fact it's worsened over the last 5yrs... Is that 'my' Labours fault too?
The PM ramping up the pressure so all the neurotic bigots start flailing their hands in the air and running barbed wire down Bridlington beach to rescue ol blighty

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And the fact it's worsened over the last 5yrs... Is that 'my' Labours fault too?
The PM ramping up the pressure so all the neurotic bigots start flailing their hands in the air and running barbed wire down Bridlington beach to rescue ol blighty

No but Blair started the mess.
and to many illegals came in back then
are still here

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And the fact it's worsened over the last 5yrs... Is that 'my' Labours fault too?
The PM ramping up the pressure so all the neurotic bigots start flailing their hands in the air and running barbed wire down Bridlington beach to rescue ol blighty

yes. who signed the eu constitution who enslaved us to the eu? who banned us talking about these matters openly? your new labour champagne socialist comrades

[the truth]

wow so are we still all going to be labelled racists by new labour for talking about this ?

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by the truth

wow so are we still all going to be labelled racists by new labour for talking about this ?

Yes because most of the anti-immigration debate is driven by racism and it really isn't as big an issue as people claim it to be. Surely there are things more important - the NHS, poverty, housing prices..

[arista]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Yes because most of the anti-immigration debate is driven by racism and it really isn't as big an issue as people claim it to be. Surely there are things more important - the NHS, poverty, housing prices..

No these can be White people
Race is not the reason.

Local Jobs
should not be done by Illegals JoshBB

Thats not tax on them
its corrupt.


The PM has Laid it on the Line

Watch Ch4HD News at 7PM

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by arista

No these can be White people
Race is not the reason.

Local Jobs
should not be done by Illegals JoshBB

Thats not tax on them
its corrupt.


The PM has Laid it on the Line

Watch Ch4HD News at 7PM

I agree with you, but that is the fault of the businesses exploiting desperate migrants, not themselves. It's very corrupt.

And most of the racism of the anti-immigration debate is towards people of arabic/asian backgrounds.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Yes because most of the anti-immigration debate is driven by racism and it really isn't as big an issue as people claim it to be. Surely there are things more important - the NHS, poverty, housing prices..

Not to you Josh because despite your obvious intelligence your naivety is alarming.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Yes because most of the anti-immigration debate is driven by racism and it really isn't as big an issue as people claim it to be. Surely there are things more important - the NHS, poverty, housing prices..

lol what complete and utter lies....typical of the brainwash spin weve had from new labour for the past 20 years...for starters millions of net immigration directly effects the nhs the housing the poverty the welfare state the child benefits the economy everything is directly connected etc etc
as were in the eu we have no real control over our borders, weve allowed vats amounts of illegal immigrants many of whom are criminals plus we should have a points system allowing us to select who comes in

this is a total fiasco. Europe is a disaster as we see with the tens of thousands drowing at sea.....the endless European countries bankrupt, the 50%+ youth unemployment across several European nations....the EU hasn't even handed its own accounts in

ps have you actually read the eu constituton? didn't think so

how dare you or anyone from new labour call anyone racist again....the most discriminatory act in the history of this country came from new labour when they illegally murdered 1 million innocent Iraqis and they actually dare to preach about discrimination...new labour should burn in hell for eternity

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by the truth

lol what complete and utter lies....typical of the brainwash spin weve had from new labour for the past 20 years...for starters millions of net immigration directly effects the nhs the housing the poverty the welfare state the child benefits the economy everything is directly connected etc etc
as were in the eu we have no real control over our borders, weve allowed vats amounts of illegal immigrants many of whom are criminals plus we should have a points system allowing us to select who comes in

this is a total fiasco. Europe is a disaster as we see with the tens of thousands drowing at sea.....the endless European countries bankrupt, the 50%+ youth unemployment across several European nations....the EU hasn't even handed its own accounts in

ps have you actually read the eu constituton? didn't think so

how dare you or anyone from new labour call anyone racist again....the most discriminatory act in the history of this country came from new labour when they illegally murdered 1 million innocent Iraqis and they actually dare to preach about discrimination...new labour should burn in hell for eternity

Truth by name, truth by nature...

Great Post.... Wish more people would wake up and smell the coffee...

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

" Yes because most of the anti-immigration debate is driven by racism and it really isn't as big an issue as people claim it to be. Surely there are things more important - the NHS, poverty, housing prices..

Josh, you haven't responded to my post below, but then go on to post the same fallacies in your post above.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JoshBB

This is so awful, I can't understand how anyone can want to just leave them there.. (@ david cameron).

Seriously though when they're coming here we get tons of xenophobic rhetoric but as soon as an asian country says they're pushing boats away.. everyone is freaking out."
..............................

You really need to delete the words; 'xenophobic' and 'racist' from your dictionaries Josh.

Accepting reality is not being racist or xenophobic; it's recognising the absolutes of Science and Truth- from Economics and Mathematics, to Proxemics and Demographics.

A few points:

1) According to many on here, in the UK we have our OWN increasing numbers of homeless, destitute, desperate and hungry people.

2) So let's imagine that YOU live in the most common type of house - a 3 bed semi.

3) The average Total Floor Area of that 3 bed semi is 96.8 sq m - down from 98.8 sq m over the past 10 years due to shrinking land availability, a dearth of homes, affordability etc.

4) Ignoring Statutory Overcrowding legislation - which deems a room measuring 6.5 square meters as 'suitable' for one person and a room measuring 10.2 square meters as suitable for two people - it is possible for 100 homeless people to shelter from the elements every night in YOUR lovely 3 bed semi alone, by allowing them to sleep on the floor of every room.

Now YOU have SERIOUS problems:

5) The average 3 bed semi has:

a) one bathroom and just 2 toilets for 100 people.
b) one kitchen with one cooker.
c) only three or four sets of bedding.
d) limited pans, plates, crockery etc etc etc.
e) One fridge and freezer.
f) very limited storage.
g) only a couple of TV's.

SOLUTION:

e) Build a massive dormitory bedroom extension
f) Build 6 more bathrooms, 6 more wc's, 6 more kitchens - 6 more of everything.
f) Buy lots more beds, bedding, new sets of clothes for 100 people.
g)But don't forget to incorporate a massive upgrade to the sewers, water supply, electricity and gas - oh and arrange to pay the council for 2 or 3 huge commercial waste skips instead of your old wheelie bin.

NO CAN DO? WHY?

6)Well, the average Garden size of your average semi is just 163,2 sq metres - shrinking from 168 sq m in 1983.

7) Ease of access into this shrinking garden is 93.8% - down from 94% in 1983.

THERE SIMPLY IS NOT ROOM TO EXTEND - but even if there were, YOU have other problems:

YOU HAVE NOT GOT ANY MONEY WITH WHICH TO EXTEND, PUT IN NEW ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE , AND RE-EQUIP:

6) The average household debt is now around Ł60,000 - up from just Ł29,000 in 2005.

So YOU want to help but are HELPLESS to HELP because:

A) YOU HAVE NOT GOT THE SPACE.
B) YOU HAVE NOT GOT THE RESOURCES.
C) YOU HAVE NOT GOT THE MONEY.

The UK is in a FAR WORSE position:

This country is overcrowded.
This country is in debt.
This country's Police, Health, Education, Benefits, Social Services, and EVERY OTHER service is STRETCHED to BREAKING POINT.
The majority of this country's indigenous people are living increasingly difficult lives on increasingly limited incomes - an increasingly miserable existence really - with drug, drink, suicide rates up, and Food Banks on the up.

This country CANNOT HELP.

A) WE HAVE NOT GOT THE SPACE.
B) WE HAVE NOT GOT THE RESOURCES.
C) WE HAVE NOT GOT THE MONEY.

It has got nothing to do with 'Xenophobia' or 'Racism' or 'Extreme Right Wing-Ism' but ALL to do with Economics, Mathematics, Proxemics and Demographics.

Unless you show me the 100 homeless sleeping over at yours every night, I will stand by the above.

[Crimson Dynamo]

its a disgrace and we have no idea about the number of illegals

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

its a disgrace and we have no idea about the number of illegals

Yes Fecking Blair

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes Fecking Blair

It's funny how little anyone seems to like Blair. The left and the right seem to hate him for different reasons haha

[joeysteele]

People can go on about Labour all they like, however all the treaties signed as to the EU would have been signed by Conservatives or Labour no matter who was in power and so the free movement of EU citizens would be happening regardless.

Immigration got out of hand in their time in power latterly, Labour rightly has to be blamed for that.

However, not now, this Prime Minister, foolishly in 2010, promised to cut immigration to the tens of thousands.
He failed bigtime because it is probably unachievable anyway.
That is now totally and only his govts. fault, not Labours, he doesn't even have the figures falling,as Labour did by 2010 after the peak in 2005.
That is his fault again.

The point is, yes, halt illegal immigration when you come across it, he obviously has no will to put in more resources to do so, so he will need to just hope for the best as to that.
Then make full use and nurture the success that immigration brings to the UK, where all statistics show, that the benefits of immigration to the UK far outweigh any of the negatives as to it.

Then admit, as Labour and all other parties should too, that none have the right policy as it it at all and realise that divisions as to immigration are never going to bring any solutions.
Hammer out a policy,that can be continuous, fair and welcoming as to the positives to all immigration to the UK from wherever.
Stop this we know best attitude from all parties, when in fact all they do as has been shown over the last 5 years is make things even worse.

One of the first steps all parties should also take,obviously excluding the more irrational UKIP leadership's thinking currently,is to stop right now, allowing immigration to be blamed for most of the UKs ills at present.
Take any problems there may be of immigration out of the political arena with a strong and appropriate united front to putting in place a policy as to same.

Stop allowing the demonisation of immigrants and also the nastier side too of the likes of UKIP,blaming foreign immigration for just about everything.

Labour failed on immigration, the Conservatives too failed in coalition over the last 5 years on immigration and if they really try to press ahead thinking they have all the answers to it themselves now, the Conservatives will fail badly again over the next few years too.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

People can go on about Labour all they like, however all the treaties signed as to the EU would have been signed by Conservatives or Labour no matter who was in power and so the free movement of EU citizens would be happening regardless.

Immigration got out of hand in their time in power latterly, Labour rightly has to be blamed for that.

However, not now, this Prime Minister, foolishly in 2010, promised to cut immigration to the tens of thousands.
He failed bigtime because it is probably unachievable anyway.
That is now totally and only his govts. fault, not Labours, he doesn't even have the figures falling,as Labour did by 2010 after the peak in 2005.
That is his fault again.

The point is, yes, halt illegal immigration when you come across it, he obviously has no will to put in more resources to do so, so he will need to just hope for the best as to that.
Then make full use and nurture the success that immigration brings to the UK, where all statistics show, that the benefits of immigration to the UK far outweigh any of the negatives as to it.

Then admit, as Labour and all other parties should too, that none have the right policy as it it at all and realise that divisions as to immigration are never going to bring any solutions.
Hammer out a policy,that can be continuous, fair and welcoming as to the positives to all immigration to the UK from wherever.
Stop this we know best attitude from all parties, when in fact all they do as has been shown over the last 5 years is make things even worse.

One of the first steps all parties should also take,obviously excluding the more irrational UKIP leadership's thinking currentlyis to stop right now, allowing immigration to be blamed for most of the UKs ills at present.
Take any problems there may be of immigration out of the political arena with a strong and appropriate united front to putting in place a policy as to same.

Stop allowing the demonisation of immigrants and also the nastier side too of the likes of UKIP,blaming foreign immigration for just about everything.

Labour failed on immigration, the Conservatives too failed in coalition over the last 5 years on immigration and if they really try to press ahead thinking they have all the answers to it themselves now, the Conservatives will fail badly again over the next few years too.

Joey, can you reproduce on here just WHERE the OFFICIAL UKIP Party line is that immigration is to blame for ALL the UK's ills - as you and other Labourite's keep claiming?