[Griffin5779]

I'm just asking ... to me..one seems a bit more offensive

[Niamh.]

I would rather someone call me the Spawn of Satan lol It's less cutting than saying someone looks like a violent criminal. Spawn of Satan sounds like a joke insult since there's no such thing as Satan or presumably his spawn

[Griffin5779]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I would rather someone call me the Spawn of Satan lol It's less cutting than saying someone looks like a violent criminal. Spawn of Satan sounds like a joke insult since there's no such thing as Satan or presumably his spawn

well there a quiet a few Christians who would disagree with your claiming there is no Satan and wouldn't think it much of a joke..

personally i think "look like"... is far less of an incitement then "are" ...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Griffin5779

well there a quiet a few Christians who would disagree with your claiming there is no Satan and wouldn't think it much of a joke..

personally i think "look like"... is far less of an incitement then "are" ...

You look like violent criminal is pretty bad still.......

I'm sure there are some Christians who believe in Satan but the question you asked was "would you rather look like a murderer or be the spawn of Satan?" And I personally don't believe in Satan so that was my answer.....

[Griffin5779]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You look like violent criminal is pretty bad still.......

I'm sure there are some Christians who believe in Satan but the question you asked was "would you rather look like a murderer or be the spawn of Satan?" And I personally don't believe in Satan so that was my answer.....

well if you want to argue on that level...the hypothetical question i asked asked assumes the existence of Satan since i used the phrase "be the spawn of Satan"

So let me rephrase it for you...Assuming that there is a Satan...would you rather look like a murderer or be the spawn of Satan?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Griffin5779

well if you want to argue on that level...the hypothetical question i asked asked assumes the existence of Satan since i used the phrase "be the spawn of Satan"

So let me rephrase it for you...Assuming that there is a Satan...would you rather look like a murderer or be the spawn of Satan?

What do you mean argue on that level? You asked which I would find more offensive and I told you

I'm not going to assume there is a Satan because not even a little part of me believes there is so this hypothetical question is ridiculous

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Griffin5779

well if you want to argue on that level...the hypothetical question i asked asked assumes the existence of Satan since i used the phrase "be the spawn of Satan"

So let me rephrase it for you...Assuming that there is a Satan...would you rather look like a murderer or be the spawn of Satan?

I agree, I have many doubts as to religion myself now but keep an open mind, I would hate to be thought of as a spawn of a devil.

Being told, I look like I could murder someone,(rather than being told, I would murder someone), as opposed to being told I 'am' the spawn of an evil force.
Then in that context for me, the latter is worse than the former.

[Robertocarlo]

Originally Posted by Griffin5779

well there a quiet a few Christians who would disagree with your claiming there is no Satan and wouldn't think it much of a joke..

personally i think "look like"... is far less of an incitement then "are" ...

Actually to be a proper Christian you actually have to believe in the existence of Satan and Jesus Christ. If you don't believe in Satan, according to Christian doctrine, then the whole concept of Heaven and Hell cannot stand. Put simply. If you're good you go to Heaven if you're bad off to Hell with you. That's what's been preached for centuries.

[Vicky.]

Wouldn't be to fussed with either really. But I don't take namecalling and such seriously. When people start rubbish like that I literally laugh in their faces, which is the most effective way of dealing with it because it riles them more

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Griffin5779

I'm just asking ... to me..one seems a bit more offensive

bearing in mind murderers can be children, woman, men, oaps, welsh people etc then its hardly a massive insult

[aman201]

Some murderers are cute.

Certainly wouldn't mind looking like Ted Bundy for example.

[Vicky.]

Also depends which murderer. Wouldn't mind looking like one of these

http://whatculture.com/offbeat/10-be...-killers.php/2

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Also depends which murderer. Wouldn't mind looking like one of these

http://whatculture.com/offbeat/10-be...-killers.php/2

lol She clearly meant he looked deranged though

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

lol She clearly meant he looked deranged though

Yes, was a strange turn of phrase to use...would have been much easier (and less fuss) to just say deranged rather than being utterly awful about it. Then again, apparently psycho and such are terrible insults, so deranged would probably be the same

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yes, was a strange turn of phrase to use...would have been much easier (and less fuss) to just say deranged rather than being utterly awful about it. Then again, apparently psycho and such are terrible insults, so deranged would probably be the same

mmm I think Helen is an expert at really cutting insults. Like I think if we're being totally honest here saying to a man during an argument that he looks like a rapist is as bad as you can get because he's going to start getting paranoid that maybe other people will start thinking that too etc etc. Saying someone is the Spawn of Satan is like a cartoon insult, even if you are religious you're not going to get paranoid that people are genuinely going to think you are actually Satans offspring

[Griffin5779]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

mmm I think Helen is an expert at really cutting insults. Like I think if we're being totally honest here saying to a man during an argument that he looks like a rapist is as bad as you can get because he's going to start getting paranoid that maybe other people will start thinking that too etc etc. Saying someone is the Spawn of Satan is like a cartoon insult, even if you are religious you're not going to get paranoid that people are genuinely going to think you are actually Satans offspring

could almost see your point..but then marc was warned for using the psycho...that have the same "cartoon insult" back ground. i'm feel quiet certain that "psycho" is used 100 times in sentences like "my girlfriend is a psycho" for every one time it used by a person intent on branding someone psychopath.

[joeysteele]

To a very religious person with a strong belief being identified with Satan would be the worst possible insult they could get.

My Grandmother was when alive and most of my family are still devout Roman Catholics, if anyone said that to them they would be crushed absolutely.

Whether people are religious or not, or whether people have a faith or not,they should be careful the terms they use around people they don't know.
When Aisleyne blurted that out,they were all there.

I found it equally as inappropriate as Helen's to Brian, a complete lack of consideration for all others present, known to the person or not known to them.
Another difference was Helen's indefensible comment to Brian was made in anger, Aisleyne's was made while very calm.

Helen is an awful person but there are for me now 3 of them awful in there, Helen, Aisleyne and Nikki.
Shocking examples from all those 3 and Brian too, to the other housemates,whose series this really is and who it should be about.
Not these supposed grown adults, who have had their time on BB, settling scores with each other.

[Vicky.]

Spawn of Satan is not even anywhere near the same level as what Helen said. I honestly think her turn of phrase was indefensible.

[RichardG]

I'd rather be transformed into Satan himself than Helen

[Vicky.]

If we are taking spawn of Satan on a literal level, then I suppose its the ultimate evil, which would be worse than a murderer

But I don't think anyone is hysterical enough to think it was meant literally. And Satan doesnt exist either so...

[armand.kay]

Spawn of satan sounds like a cool metal band or something and I'm here for my dark era, so yeah x

[Griffin5779]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

Spawn of satan sounds like a cool metal band or something and I'm here for my dark era, so yeah x

look like a murderer could be Cristian rapper name

[Kazanne]

I just think it's all so petty and childish whoever says it,I've done it myself,still petty and childish, like being back at school,that said Helen said hers in sheer anger and probably didn't even think what she was saying and regretted it after ,Ashleines was worse for me as it was premeditated .

[crazycolaist]

Comparing sprawn of satan & a murderer is fiction & fact.

It's like calling someone a fairy or a cat. One is real the other is not.

So I cant say if id rather be called one or the other because one is a joke & the other is a serious allegation that was false.

F- Helen

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by crazycolaist;7932046[B

]Comparing sprawn of satan & a murderer is fiction & fact.
[/B]
It's like calling someone a fairy or a cat. One is real the other is not.

So I cant say if id rather be called one or the other because one is a joke & the other is a serious allegation that was false.

F- Helen

With respect not to people who have a strong faith it isn't fiction and fact.

That is disrespectful actually to people with genuinely held strong faith and beliefs.
None of which is seen as fiction by them.

Slightly even worse, as Kazanne has said, when one is said in full anger and the other said with pre meditation while totally calm.