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Jack_ · 26-06-2015, 11:41 PM

...were worse than her conduct on the night of Brian's departure? This is something that's really annoying me both on the show and on the forums.

Yes her comments were disgusting and completely unacceptable, but the worst thing about that night was the scene where she deliberately antagonised him (and admitted to doing so, 'yes I am going to antagonise you now) as he sat on the sofa in silence, visibly shaking and on the brink of tears, all while she had a smirk on her face and enjoyed the weakness he was displaying.

That is the real issue here, the comments she made following that are just a side show. That is what she should be made to apologise for, and what she's said she won't (how she isn't sorry she upset him, which is what this was). I feel like everyone's completely oblivious to the fact this happened, and it was beyond uncomfortable and totally out of order.

Helen should count herself extremely lucky that Big Brother isn't as popular as it once was and that barely anyone will have seen this, because if it were I can guarantee there'd have been security at her eviction, she'd be forced into making a public apology a la Jade and the race row, and she would be facing a barrage for the foreseeable future even more than she will be now. It's a real shame that she's going to be able to get away with this essentially cause no one will have seen it.

JamesBond · 26-06-2015, 11:44 PM

I'm over it.

ItWasJustBanter · 26-06-2015, 11:46 PM

I call this one "Brian, 27, scared"

zakman440 · 26-06-2015, 11:48 PM

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I call this one "Brian, 27, scared"

...that was also on a separate occasion than what the OP was talking about.

ItWasJustBanter · 26-06-2015, 11:49 PM

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...that was also on a separate occasion than what the OP was talking about.

I know. He blew up a lot inside.

For an intimidated wilting violet that is.

Jack_ · 26-06-2015, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ItWasJustBanter

I call this one "Brian, 27, scared"

People keep making these points about how Brian reacted to her and was shouting at her. Yes, he did, I'm not denying that. But there was one scene where he sat on the sofa in silence, clearly shaking and about to cry and Helen goaded him, mocked him, said 'I am going to antagonise you now' and smirked and got enjoyment out of the fact he was showing weakness.

It doesn't matter whether he was aggressive before that, or aggressive after that. That one particular scene he did nothing and she continued to abuse him. That is bullying. If someone is saying nothing and you continue to abuse them, you are being a bully. It doesn't matter if they later respond or responded before, if someone isn't saying anything and you don't realise that enough is enough, then you are being a bully. Which she was.

A level argument where two people are going at it, which they both were in other scenes, absolutely fine. But one person going at someone who is sat in silence. Unacceptable, regardless of who it is.

ItWasJustBanter · 26-06-2015, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack_

People keep making these points about how Brian reacted to her and was shouting at her. Yes, he did, I'm not denying that. But there was one scene where he sat on the sofa in silence, clearly shaking and about to cry and Helen goaded him, mocked him, said 'I am going to antagonise you now' and smirked and got enjoyment out of the fact he was showing weakness.

It doesn't matter whether he was aggressive before that, or aggressive after that. That one particular scene he did nothing and she continued to abuse him. That is bullying. If someone is saying nothing and you continue to abuse them, you are being a bully. It doesn't matter if they later respond or responded before, if someone isn't saying anything and you don't realise that enough is enough, then you are being a bully. Which she was.

A level argument where two people are going at it, which they both were in other scenes, absolutely fine. But one person going at someone who is sat in silence. Unacceptable, regardless of who it is.

It's not a level argument when he's physically much stronger than her and roaring at the top of his voice. She mentally destroyed him using the tools she has in her locker. I'm not saying that's right but she argued to her strengths, he argued to his and she won.

I hope he doesn't charge her too much for the space she's renting in his head. He will be haunted by her for a long time.

Glenn. · 26-06-2015, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ItWasJustBanter

It's not a level argument when he's physically much stronger than her and roaring at the top of his voice. She mentally destroyed him using the tools she has in her locker. I'm not saying that's right but she argued to her strengths, he argued to his and she won.

I hope he doesn't charge her too much for the space she's renting in his head. He will be haunted by her for a long time.

the delusion is real

Jack_ · 27-06-2015, 12:00 AM

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It's not a level argument when he's physically much stronger than her and roaring at the top of his voice.

Well for a start this is actually quite sexist suggesting that a man can't argue with a woman just because he's stronger than her. Pathetic.

And it was not a level argument when he was sat on the sofa in silence while she went at him. What part of that do you fail to understand?

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I hope he doesn't charge her too much for the space she's renting in his head. He will be haunted by her for a long time.

This is actually a disgusting remark to make, as if it's some achievement that yes he will be scarred by her bullying. How ****ing disgusting. Seriously. ****ing vile.

iToby · 27-06-2015, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ItWasJustBanter

It's not a level argument when he's physically much stronger than her and roaring at the top of his voice. She mentally destroyed him using the tools she has in her locker. I'm not saying that's right but she argued to her strengths, he argued to his and she won.

I hope he doesn't charge her too much for the space she's renting in his head. He will be haunted by her for a long time.

She struck me as more of a squatter type

jaxie · 27-06-2015, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack_

People keep making these points about how Brian reacted to her and was shouting at her. Yes, he did, I'm not denying that. But there was one scene where he sat on the sofa in silence, clearly shaking and about to cry and Helen goaded him, mocked him, said 'I am going to antagonise you now' and smirked and got enjoyment out of the fact he was showing weakness.

It doesn't matter whether he was aggressive before that, or aggressive after that. That one particular scene he did nothing and she continued to abuse him. That is bullying. If someone is saying nothing and you continue to abuse them, you are being a bully. It doesn't matter if they later respond or responded before, if someone isn't saying anything and you don't realise that enough is enough, then you are being a bully. Which she was.

A level argument where two people are going at it, which they both were in other scenes, absolutely fine. But one person going at someone who is sat in silence. Unacceptable, regardless of who it is.

Well said Jack.

Ammi · 27-06-2015, 07:05 AM

...one thing I find so bad with all of this, is that it's so difficult to define 'bullying' as being a clear cut thing so in BB context it's just 'perceptions' etc...but one of the first 'clear cut' type things is whether someone feels bullied...and Brian isn't the first person to have felt bullied by Helen...it's also that thing with someone like Brian/that slight vulnerable part of him...and yes he does have balance with other parts of his personality and hasn't always been the best himself in the house...but he does have a vulnerability about him as well..so I think that bullying is called more easily because of that..as it was with Jale as well...but much less so with Ashleigh...because she often looked so miserable and could 'b*tch with the best of them' etc..so basically everything Helen said to her was just 'justifiable' stuff..I find that personally extremely disturbing as a message to be given out....that a bullied person has to have a 'victim' type personality for bullying to be called or percieved....

armand.kay · 26-06-2015, 11:45 PM

ia tbh i really don't give a **** about the comments because i can imagine someone else saying it in an argument and me not caring because people say all sorts of things in arguments that they probably don't mean. what I hate about helen is not thats she's argumentative or aggressive its the tactics she uses to intimidate, goat and just torment people she's just horrid.

cassieparis · 26-06-2015, 11:49 PM

Tired

rionablue · 26-06-2015, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack_

...were worse than her conduct on the night of Brian's departure? This is something that's really annoying me both on the show and on the forums.

Yes her comments were disgusting and completely unacceptable, but the worst thing about that night was the scene where she deliberately antagonised him (and admitted to doing so, 'yes I am going to antagonise you now) as he sat on the sofa in silence, visibly shaking and on the brink of tears, all while she had a smirk on her face and enjoyed the weakness he was displaying.

That is the real issue here, the comments she made following that are just a side show. That is what she should be made to apologise for, and what she's said she won't (how she isn't sorry she upset him, which is what this was). I feel like everyone's completely oblivious to the fact this happened, and it was beyond uncomfortable and totally out of order.

Helen should count herself extremely lucky that Big Brother isn't as popular as it once was and that barely anyone will have seen this, because if it were I can guarantee there'd have been security at her eviction, she'd be forced into making a public apology a la Jade and the race row, and she would be facing a barrage for the foreseeable future even more than she will be now. It's a real shame that she's going to be able to get away with this essentially cause no one will have seen it.

I totally agree. Great post Jack

Glenn. · 26-06-2015, 11:55 PM

Good luck Jack. You'll be better off talking to a brick wall.

Amy Jade · 26-06-2015, 11:57 PM

Jack, you could post a picture of her kicking a kitten in the face and it'd be the kittens fault for having a face.

ItWasJustBanter · 26-06-2015, 11:58 PM

Maybe she was kicking a stone and an attention seeking kitten ran in just as a photo was being taken and planted it's face directly in front of her foot.