[Jack_]

...were worse than her conduct on the night of Brian's departure? This is something that's really annoying me both on the show and on the forums.

Yes her comments were disgusting and completely unacceptable, but the worst thing about that night was the scene where she deliberately antagonised him (and admitted to doing so, 'yes I am going to antagonise you now) as he sat on the sofa in silence, visibly shaking and on the brink of tears, all while she had a smirk on her face and enjoyed the weakness he was displaying.

That is the real issue here, the comments she made following that are just a side show. That is what she should be made to apologise for, and what she's said she won't (how she isn't sorry she upset him, which is what this was). I feel like everyone's completely oblivious to the fact this happened, and it was beyond uncomfortable and totally out of order.

Helen should count herself extremely lucky that Big Brother isn't as popular as it once was and that barely anyone will have seen this, because if it were I can guarantee there'd have been security at her eviction, she'd be forced into making a public apology a la Jade and the race row, and she would be facing a barrage for the foreseeable future even more than she will be now. It's a real shame that she's going to be able to get away with this essentially cause no one will have seen it.

[JamesBond]

I'm over it.

[armand.kay]

ia tbh i really don't give a **** about the comments because i can imagine someone else saying it in an argument and me not caring because people say all sorts of things in arguments that they probably don't mean. what I hate about helen is not thats she's argumentative or aggressive its the tactics she uses to intimidate, goat and just torment people she's just horrid.

[ItWasJustBanter]

I call this one "Brian, 27, scared"

[zakman440]

Originally Posted by ItWasJustBanter

I call this one "Brian, 27, scared"

...that was also on a separate occasion than what the OP was talking about.

[cassieparis]

Tired

[ItWasJustBanter]

Originally Posted by zakman440

...that was also on a separate occasion than what the OP was talking about.

I know. He blew up a lot inside.


For an intimidated wilting violet that is.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by ItWasJustBanter

I call this one "Brian, 27, scared"

People keep making these points about how Brian reacted to her and was shouting at her. Yes, he did, I'm not denying that. But there was one scene where he sat on the sofa in silence, clearly shaking and about to cry and Helen goaded him, mocked him, said 'I am going to antagonise you now' and smirked and got enjoyment out of the fact he was showing weakness.

It doesn't matter whether he was aggressive before that, or aggressive after that. That one particular scene he did nothing and she continued to abuse him. That is bullying. If someone is saying nothing and you continue to abuse them, you are being a bully. It doesn't matter if they later respond or responded before, if someone isn't saying anything and you don't realise that enough is enough, then you are being a bully. Which she was.

A level argument where two people are going at it, which they both were in other scenes, absolutely fine. But one person going at someone who is sat in silence. Unacceptable, regardless of who it is.

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by Jack_

...were worse than her conduct on the night of Brian's departure? This is something that's really annoying me both on the show and on the forums.

Yes her comments were disgusting and completely unacceptable, but the worst thing about that night was the scene where she deliberately antagonised him (and admitted to doing so, 'yes I am going to antagonise you now) as he sat on the sofa in silence, visibly shaking and on the brink of tears, all while she had a smirk on her face and enjoyed the weakness he was displaying.

That is the real issue here, the comments she made following that are just a side show. That is what she should be made to apologise for, and what she's said she won't (how she isn't sorry she upset him, which is what this was). I feel like everyone's completely oblivious to the fact this happened, and it was beyond uncomfortable and totally out of order.

Helen should count herself extremely lucky that Big Brother isn't as popular as it once was and that barely anyone will have seen this, because if it were I can guarantee there'd have been security at her eviction, she'd be forced into making a public apology a la Jade and the race row, and she would be facing a barrage for the foreseeable future even more than she will be now. It's a real shame that she's going to be able to get away with this essentially cause no one will have seen it.

I totally agree. Great post Jack

[Glenn.]

Good luck Jack. You'll be better off talking to a brick wall.

[ItWasJustBanter]

Originally Posted by Jack_

People keep making these points about how Brian reacted to her and was shouting at her. Yes, he did, I'm not denying that. But there was one scene where he sat on the sofa in silence, clearly shaking and about to cry and Helen goaded him, mocked him, said 'I am going to antagonise you now' and smirked and got enjoyment out of the fact he was showing weakness.

It doesn't matter whether he was aggressive before that, or aggressive after that. That one particular scene he did nothing and she continued to abuse him. That is bullying. If someone is saying nothing and you continue to abuse them, you are being a bully. It doesn't matter if they later respond or responded before, if someone isn't saying anything and you don't realise that enough is enough, then you are being a bully. Which she was.

A level argument where two people are going at it, which they both were in other scenes, absolutely fine. But one person going at someone who is sat in silence. Unacceptable, regardless of who it is.

It's not a level argument when he's physically much stronger than her and roaring at the top of his voice. She mentally destroyed him using the tools she has in her locker. I'm not saying that's right but she argued to her strengths, he argued to his and she won.

I hope he doesn't charge her too much for the space she's renting in his head. He will be haunted by her for a long time.

[Amy Jade]

Jack, you could post a picture of her kicking a kitten in the face and it'd be the kittens fault for having a face.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by ItWasJustBanter

It's not a level argument when he's physically much stronger than her and roaring at the top of his voice. She mentally destroyed him using the tools she has in her locker. I'm not saying that's right but she argued to her strengths, he argued to his and she won.

I hope he doesn't charge her too much for the space she's renting in his head. He will be haunted by her for a long time.

the delusion is real

[ItWasJustBanter]

Maybe she was kicking a stone and an attention seeking kitten ran in just as a photo was being taken and planted it's face directly in front of her foot.

[BB4fan]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Jack, you could post a picture of her kicking a kitten in the face and it'd be the kittens fault for having a face.

Same as Brian.
If it was Helen's kitten being kicked by Brain Bellend you'd still call her a vile bully.

The irony.

[ItWasJustBanter]

Originally Posted by Quasar

the delusion is real

If you've a point to make then make it.

Otherwise just leave like you've threatened a few times tonight. I'm not going to stop you.

[ThriceShy]

Just look at the join dates, people.

That is all I am going to say.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by ItWasJustBanter

If you've a point to make then make it.

Otherwise just leave like you've threatened a few times tonight. I'm not going to stop you.

My point was quite clear was it not?

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by ItWasJustBanter

It's not a level argument when he's physically much stronger than her and roaring at the top of his voice.

Well for a start this is actually quite sexist suggesting that a man can't argue with a woman just because he's stronger than her. Pathetic.

And it was not a level argument when he was sat on the sofa in silence while she went at him. What part of that do you fail to understand?

Originally Posted by ItWasJustBanter

I hope he doesn't charge her too much for the space she's renting in his head. He will be haunted by her for a long time.

This is actually a disgusting remark to make, as if it's some achievement that yes he will be scarred by her bullying. How ****ing disgusting. Seriously. ****ing vile.

[Jack_]

I can't actually believe someone's just said that. I'm ****ing disgusted.

[MB.]

Can we just end on-season now please

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by MB.

Can we just end on-season now please

here for it

[Stankleberry]

When a man charges at a women as if he wants to fight her during an argument, that man deserves to be put in his place. He is insane, and she was right to say what she did. I hope he learns to control his emotions better, it's amazing that he's not in prison.

[ItWasJustBanter]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Well for a start this is actually quite sexist suggesting that a man can't argue with a woman just because he's stronger than her. Pathetic.

And it was not a level argument when he was sat on the sofa in silence while she went at him. What part of that do you fail to understand?



This is actually a disgusting remark to make, as if it's some achievement that yes he will be scarred by her bullying. How ****ing disgusting. Seriously. ****ing vile.

Don't bring the sex card into it I never suggested that. Don't read what I wrote, digest it and then **** it out and present it back to me like that's what I said.

All the kings horses and all the kings men, couldn't put Belo together again.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Stankleberry

When a man charges at a women as if he wants to fight her during an argument, that man deserves to be put in his place. He is insane, and she was right to say what she did. I hope he learns to control his emotions better, it's amazing that he's not in prison.

nothing more needs to be said. All assumptions to suit your agenda.