[nonstop]

First, telling them not to get involved in Nikki v Helen and now telling Christian not to say what he thinks.

Major control freak.

[joeysteele]

No, Danny is the control freak, he has his sheep in Nick and Cristian and now he even thinks he can control Aisleyne.

[Trasadkel1]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

No, Danny is the control freak, he has his sheep in Nick and Cristian and now he even thinks he can control Aisleyne.

They are both control freaks hence why they clash so much.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Trasadkel1

They are both control freaks hence why they clash so much.

That is true to be fair.

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by Trasadkel1

They are both control freaks hence why they clash so much.

Yes!

Get that common ground.

[cassieparis]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

No, Danny is the control freak, he has his sheep in Nick and Cristian and now he even thinks he can control Aisleyne.

This is so true. Also anyone can control Aisleyne she is very lost.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by nonstop

First, telling them not to get involved in Nikki v Helen and now telling Christian not to say what he thinks.

Major control freak.

Think he had a fair point with Cristian actually. Cristian was blabbering on about what others had TOLD him happened...which has been the problem all along, none of them actually know/saw anything that Marc did, they just go on what Brian told them he did.

[Griffin5779]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Think he had a fair point with Cristian actually. Cristian was blabbering on about what others had TOLD him happened...which has been the problem all along, none of them actually know/saw anything that Marc did, they just go on what Brian told them he did.

It really is horrible..I saw Brian whining and complaining in the Diary room, I saw Brian being really nasty and bitchy about Helen and Brian behind there back, and I saw several arguments. most of the arguments where started by Brian and he was loud, aggressive and nasty in all of them..aside from from the one time helen made those inappropriate comment of helens (which marc disagreed with seconds after they passed her lips) i saw very little that either of the two did.

yet still every show is people repeating the same "you antagonized brian" comment..over and over...and i've yet to see a housemate, a guest or anyone on the forum give a concrete example. in fact i've seen several make comments like ' well i didn't see but you must have' or ' he went over the wall you must have'

it is incredible frustrating for me...imagine what it must be like for marc..in the house..unable to see how its been presented on tv..and having to defend himself against claim when no one can give him examples..

and then he comments like "well its over now just let it good"

yes you have been convicted of murder and no one has given any proof (beside you look like a murder)..but you should just let it go, spend your 20 years in jail and except being branded as killer the rest of your like

please provide ME examples of marc antagonizing Brian so i can move on

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Think he had a fair point with Cristian actually. Cristian was blabbering on about what others had TOLD him happened...which has been the problem all along, none of them actually know/saw anything that Marc did, they just go on what Brian told them he did.

That's not really true. There were several times when Brian was goaded that other housemates crowded him to try to calm things down. They saw what happened and their impression was that Marc pushed Bryan's buttons. Marc was grinning, loving it at the time, making little comments while his beloved anus Helen was going in for the kill.

You can't stand behind a bully, grin and encourage, then claim it wasn't me. It doesn't wash. If he was so innocent why did he get a warning?

In any heated situation people get an impression of what is happening and who the aggressors are but after a few days have passed you expect them to remember every word spoken. I very much doubt you can remember every word Bryan spoke. I don't remember specifics without a refresher. What I do remember is Marc being there and part of it every step of the way.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by jaxie

That's not really true. There were several times when Brian was goaded that other housemates crowded him to try to calm things down. They saw what happened and their impression was that Marc pushed Bryan's buttons. Marc was grinning, loving it at the time, making little comments while his beloved anus Helen was going in for the kill.

You can't stand behind a bully, grin and encourage, then claim it wasn't me. It doesn't wash. If he was so innocent why did he get a warning?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

That's not really true. There were several times when Brian was goaded that other housemates crowded him to try to calm things down. They saw what happened and their impression was that Marc pushed Bryan's buttons. Marc was grinning, loving it at the time, making little comments while his beloved anus Helen was going in for the kill.

Ahh I see. So what you mean is, Brian snapped, the others crowded round him to chill him out, and because Brian went OTT...that meant he was goaded. Gotcha

Originally Posted by jaxie

You can't stand behind a bully, grin and encourage, then claim it wasn't me. It doesn't wash. If he was so innocent why did he get a warning?

Good question. BB didn't seem to know either really, they appeared to give him it for saying Brian was a psycho. In an argument...

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Ahh I see. So what you mean is, Brian snapped, the others crowded round him to chill him out, and because Brian went OTT...that meant he was goaded. Gotcha



Good question. BB didn't seem to know either really, they appeared to give him it for saying Brian was a psycho. In an argument...

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Ahh I see. So what you mean is, Brian snapped, the others crowded round him to chill him out, and because Brian went OTT...that meant he was goaded. Gotcha



Good question. BB didn't seem to know either really, they appeared to give him it for saying Brian was a psycho. In an argument...

Bryan got angry, yes but his buttons were definitely being pushed to get him there. However that last time he was silent and looked close to tears, they'd worn him down and Marc was still coming with the psycho comments. It's fine to disagree, we got a different impression of the situation. Gotcha?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Bryan got angry, yes but his buttons were definitely being pushed to get him there. However that last time he was silent and looked close to tears, they'd worn him down and Maec was still coming with the psycho comments. It's fine to disagree, we got a different impression of the situation. Gotcha?

When HELEN was going at him? Also he looked raging tbh, not close to tears but we clearly see that differently

The problem with the whole situation is some appear to have merged Marc and Helen into one person...and Marc actually told Helen to calm down. Not that he is responsible for what she says mind, as much as it appears some would like him to be

[alex_front2]

Marc hates scenarios and people not within his control eg when Sam didn't nominate the way he wanted.

[sampvt]

Marc isn't a control freak, he is a natural leader and he knows what he is doing. His game is to decimate them all with Rhetoric and well placed wind ups. People need to realise that this is a game and he is playing it well. Danny is the control freak and suffers badly from small mans syndrome and a very unhealthy drive to be famous at any cost. Total scammer and piece of crap.

[Ammi]

..I don't see Marc as a natural leader at all...if he was then he would have naturally led and there wouldn't still be this whole 'alpha battle' going on so close to the final....he's only really had the loyalty of Sam throughout their time in there and Helen as well while she was there but that was only for a few weeks...what I do think though is that with him and Danny, he has always had the 'control' since he went into the house and I'd actually forgotten how Danny was in Marc's personal space right from the offing, so he never did have any 'control' with Marc and has really always been Marc's puppet and within his control....but no, for me no natural leader at all...there has always been a 'struggle for power' there...

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Marc isn't a control freak, he is a natural leader and he knows what he is doing. His game is to decimate them all with Rhetoric and well placed wind ups. People need to realise that this is a game and he is playing it well. Danny is the control freak and suffers badly from small mans syndrome and a very unhealthy drive to be famous at any cost. Total scammer and piece of crap.

I only read this far but had to reply.

Someone who naturally leads is a someone who people naturally follow. They are the heart rather than the head of the group. A natural leader oozes confidence but is never egotistical and doesn't control or ever try to control, but enables those around him towards positive outcomes. Marc is anything but a natural leader, he's a control freak who continually judges other house mates in a passive aggressive way. everything he does is about advancing his own agenda. He constantly tries to manage his audiences impression of himself and he tries to influence other house mates away from certain people in the house.

Yes, he's a game player to be sure but he's not a very good one and he's about as far away from being a natural leader as he is from being a comedian.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I only read this far but had to reply.

Someone who naturally leads is a someone who people naturally follow. They are the heart rather than the head of the group. A natural leader oozes confidence but is never egotistical and doesn't control or ever try to control, but enables those around him towards positive outcomes. Marc is anything but a natural leader, he's a control freak who continually judges other house mates in a passive aggressive way. everything he does is about advancing his own agenda. He constantly tries to manage his audiences impression of himself and he tries to influence other house mates away from certain people in the house.

Yes, he's a game player to be sure but he's not a very good one and he's about as far away from being a natural leader as he is from being a comedian.

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I only read this far but had to reply.

Someone who naturally leads is a someone who people naturally follow. They are the heart rather than the head of the group. A natural leader oozes confidence but is never egotistical and doesn't control or ever try to control, but enables those around him towards positive outcomes. Marc is anything but a natural leader, he's a control freak who continually judges other house mates in a passive aggressive way. everything he does is about advancing his own agenda. He constantly tries to manage his audiences impression of himself and he tries to influence other house mates away from certain people in the house.

Yes, he's a game player to be sure but he's not a very good one and he's about as far away from being a natural leader as he is from being a comedian.

Great post and very true.

[Trasadkel1]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I only read this far but had to reply.

Someone who naturally leads is a someone who people naturally follow. They are the heart rather than the head of the group. A natural leader oozes confidence but is never egotistical and doesn't control or ever try to control, but enables those around him towards positive outcomes. Marc is anything but a natural leader, he's a control freak who continually judges other house mates in a passive aggressive way. everything he does is about advancing his own agenda. He constantly tries to manage his audiences impression of himself and he tries to influence other house mates away from certain people in the house.

Yes, he's a game player to be sure but he's not a very good one and he's about as far away from being a natural leader as he is from being a comedian.

This post is so true.

[abhorson]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I only read this far but had to reply.

Someone who naturally leads is a someone who people naturally follow. They are the heart rather than the head of the group. A natural leader oozes confidence but is never egotistical and doesn't control or ever try to control, but enables those around him towards positive outcomes. Marc is anything but a natural leader, he's a control freak who continually judges other house mates in a passive aggressive way. everything he does is about advancing his own agenda. He constantly tries to manage his audiences impression of himself and he tries to influence other house mates away from certain people in the house.

Yes, he's a game player to be sure but he's not a very good one and he's about as far away from being a natural leader as he is from being a comedian.

[cassieparis]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I only read this far but had to reply.

Someone who naturally leads is a someone who people naturally follow. They are the heart rather than the head of the group. A natural leader oozes confidence but is never egotistical and doesn't control or ever try to control, but enables those around him towards positive outcomes. Marc is anything but a natural leader, he's a control freak who continually judges other house mates in a passive aggressive way. everything he does is about advancing his own agenda. He constantly tries to manage his audiences impression of himself and he tries to influence other house mates away from certain people in the house.

Yes, he's a game player to be sure but he's not a very good one and he's about as far away from being a natural leader as he is from being a comedian.

Succinct and True.

[alex_front2]

Ha, the sociopath comments are coming out about Marc. If I had to label he seems more of a psychopath than a sociopath.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

Ha, the sociopath comments are coming out about Marc. If I had to label he seems more of a psychopath than a sociopath.

And it always amazes me how many people are attracted to these types