[cfromhx02]

I put it to you that Marc wasn't that intelligent.He was only more intelligent than most of the HM s and most of the people on BOTS and in Crowd for example

and let's face it you don't have to be that intelligent to be more intelligent than them ?

I could point you to the words he didn't understand the meaning of and his misunderstandings of other things as proof that he wasn't that intelligent but I won't bother because I know some will not pay attention to or take my comments on board.

[alex_front2]

I think he was smart.

So as much as I disliked him he understood how to get under so many people's skin except Nick who he knew didn't give a crap. He knew how to take advantage of scenarios, how to get AT, how to get the the best out of his personality, when to hold back e. g. he didn't Lord it over Aisleyne when he became a Hotel bb2 guest as we expected, knew how to process information eg he knew he was popular from the moment Sam and Marc in their first week were chosen as the newbies to nominate rather than himself, he knew how to differentiate himself from the others, he knew to align himself with week Hms, I've Showbiz, he knew how to show different sides of his personality e. g. SCIENCE MARC, when to be nice. Shrewd maybe a better word.

[ebandit]

........so shrewd he did not even make it through his 1st eviction.........

how happy he is with that will depend on his BB contract............how

much he is in demand for future shows?

Mark L

[alex_front2]

EBANDIT, I am not a Marc fan, but I am not going to make out he was a thicko just because I didn't like him. Helen was dumb but got to final and won - with a pass. Marc was Unlucky as he was up against weak hms in a VTE which favours bores like Sam. Had Marc gone up against a Danny he would have stayed. He was trying to break the clique, but he ran out of time.


Marc loos like a DUMB fake tanned tattooed muscle Mary airhead TOWIE reject - he knows this - and he used it to lull people into a slight false sense of his non stupidity.

[BENDERBOY]

The name of the game is to survive week by week, he was out the very first time he was up proper, not that smart really.

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by BENDERBOY

The name of the game is to survive week by week, he was out the very first time he was up proper, not that smart really.

When you have done 4 years in the army, then gone on to take a degree in chemistry, then you can flap your lips about Marc not being very smart.

[BENDERBOY]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

When you have done 4 years in the army, then gone on to take a degree in chemistry, then you can flap your lips about Marc not being very smart.

I've done 9 years in the army and have a degree in Nuclear Physics.

Lips flapping.

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by BENDERBOY

I've done 9 years in the army and have a degree in Nuclear Physics.

Lips flapping.

Yeah right

[RichardG]

Originally Posted by BENDERBOY

The name of the game is to survive week by week, he was out the very first time he was up proper, not that smart really.

[the truth]

HES AN IDIOT. so he has a few qualifications big deal, his social skills are poor his judgement was appalling and he has serious behavioural issues

[ItWasJustBanter]

Originally Posted by cfromhx02

I put it to you that Marc wasn't that intelligent.He was only more intelligent than most of the HM s and most of the people on BOTS and in Crowd for example

and let's face it you don't have to be that intelligent to be more intelligent than them ?

I could point you to the words he didn't understand the meaning of and his misunderstandings of other things as proof that he wasn't that intelligent but I won't bother because I know some will not pay attention to or take my comments on board.

List these infractions oh wise one.

[y.winter]

A pond in a desert, nothing to get overwhelmed by.

[JamesBond]

He's def a smart guy, however being stuck in a house full of halfwits with the exception of Joel made him look like an evil genius.

[BB4fan]

Originally Posted by JamesBond

He's def a smart guy, however being stuck in a house full of halfwits with the exception of Joel made him look like an evil genius.

Yea Definetly.

And let's not forget that his friendship with Helen didn't really fall on whether he was smart or not. He was very loyal to her unlike the others and like he mentioned in his interview to Emma he wasn't prepared to stab a friend in the back like the others would.

[jet]

There is more than one type of intelligence. He may be academically smart, but he would get an F minus in 'how to win friends and influence people' as the majority of the HM's and the public didn't like him as much as he believed they would, or should. He is a terrible judge of his own character and the effect it has on others. He thinks he's the dogs bollocks and a great laugh and that everyone should love him and 'get' him, but he's really just a pumped up little self - important man with an inflated ego and a cruel line of 'banter'. Maybe getting the boot out of the house will teach him some humility, but I doubt it.

[JamesBond]

Originally Posted by jet

There is more than one type of intelligence. He may be academically smart, but he would get an F minus in 'how to win friends and influence people' as the majority of the HM's and the public didn't like him as much as he believed they would, or should. He is a terrible judge of his own character and the effect it has on others. He thinks he's the dogs bollocks and a great laugh and that everyone should love him and 'get' him, but he's really just a pumped up little self - important man with an inflated ego and a cruel line of 'banter'. Maybe getting the boot out of the house will teach him some humility, but I doubt it.

At what point did Marc say he wanted to win friends and influence people? He said he wanted to stir **** up.

He showed he was smart and everyone including the housemates and presenters of the show had to admit it even if they personally didn't like him.

I don't remember him taking exams and handing in coursework while in the big brother house. Clearly they weren't referring to him being academically smart.

[jet]

Originally Posted by JamesBond

At what point did Marc say he wanted to win friends and influence people? He said he wanted to stir **** up.

He showed he was smart and everyone including the housemates and presenters of the show had to admit it even if they personally didn't like him.

I don't remember him taking exams and handing in coursework while in the big brother house. Clearly they weren't referring to him being academically smart.

If Marc had stirred **** up AND won friends and influenced people in the house and out of it he'd have walked away as the winner so problem. He wasn't socially smart enough to get the balance right. He showed a nicer side too rarely. Coming across as a grade A prick and a cocky sod 80% of the time isn't a very intelligent path to success with people. So academically smart, yes; socially smart, hell no!

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by jet

There is more than one type of intelligence. He may be academically smart, but he would get an F minus in 'how to win friends and influence people' as the majority of the HM's and the public didn't like him as much as he believed they would, or should. He is a terrible judge of his own character and the effect it has on others. He thinks he's the dogs bollocks and a great laugh and that everyone should love him and 'get' him, but he's really just a pumped up little self - important man with an inflated ego and a cruel line of 'banter'. Maybe getting the boot out of the house will teach him some humility, but I doubt it.

Agree
Just because you are academically intelligent it does not mean you are intelligent on all levels.

[alex_front2]

Originally Posted by jet

There is more than one type of intelligence. He may be academically smart, but he would get an F minus in 'how to win friends and influence people' as the majority of the HM's and the public didn't like him as much as he believed they would, or should. He is a terrible judge of his own character and the effect it has on others. He thinks he's the dogs bollocks and a great laugh and that everyone should love him and 'get' him, but he's really just a pumped up little self - important man with an inflated ego and a cruel line of 'banter'. Maybe getting the boot out of the house will teach him some humility, but I doubt it.

But that was his game plan. He didn't want to win friends, he wanted to stand out and whether I liked him or not I could see he was easily the most popular and most unpopular. Let's be honest one really hates Cristian and Sam as they are too dull to dislike. If Mr Irish Banter wanted to be full time Mr Nice he would have been Danny/Cristian #3, but would have been less popular as he doesn't have their looks. By being Mr Controversial he guaranteed AT, a large cult following and a certain protection and favouritism from the producers, who now have 45mins to fill of Chloe's nice girl shtick, Nick picking his nose and Joel interviewing in a patronising voice. I loathe Marc, but to claim he is not intelligent is, well not intelligent IMHO.

Don't make me defend Marc, ta.

[BigBuk]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

But that was his game plan. He didn't want to win friends, he wanted to stand out and whether I liked him or not I could see he was easily the most popular and most unpopular. Let's be honest one really hates Cristian and Sam as they are too dull to dislike. If Mr Irish Banter wanted to be full time Mr Nice he would have been Danny/Cristian #3, but would have been less popular as he doesn't have their looks. By being Mr Controversial he guaranteed AT, a large cult following and a certain protection and favouritism from the producers, who now have 45mins to fill of Chloe's nice girl shtick, Nick picking his nose and Joel interviewing in a patronising voice. I loathe Marc, but to claim he is not intelligent is, well not intelligent IMHO.

Don't make me defend Marc, ta.

One of the few people of this website that don't let their hatred of a HM cloud their judgement.

[jet]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

But that was his game plan. He didn't want to win friends, he wanted to stand out

I've already addressed this point in posts just above, Alex.

[Jose Mourinho]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

But that was his game plan. He didn't want to win friends, he wanted to stand out and whether I liked him or not I could see he was easily the most popular and most unpopular. Let's be honest one really hates Cristian and Sam as they are too dull to dislike. If Mr Irish Banter wanted to be full time Mr Nice he would have been Danny/Cristian #3, but would have been less popular as he doesn't have their looks. By being Mr Controversial he guaranteed AT, a large cult following and a certain protection and favouritism from the producers, who now have 45mins to fill of Chloe's nice girl shtick, Nick picking his nose and Joel interviewing in a patronising voice. I loathe Marc, but to claim he is not intelligent is, well not intelligent IMHO.

Don't make me defend Marc, ta.

You see this is why I dislike the game players, they made Big brother to be a "reality" show, that would possibly show peoples TRUE emotions and responses in regard to conflict, attraction, anger and many other emotions. I think yes, people come on the show and try to MAKE it entertaining by coming up with some sort of gameplan but I think its all gone a bit OTT now. Imagine a show full of gameplayers like Marc who try to cause shizzz jst to entertain the crowd.. might aswell watch a movie, cuz it would all be scripted inside ones mind or on a piece of paper it makes no difference. Is reality TV even real anymore?

[JamesBond]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

But that was his game plan. He didn't want to win friends, he wanted to stand out and whether I liked him or not I could see he was easily the most popular and most unpopular. Let's be honest one really hates Cristian and Sam as they are too dull to dislike. If Mr Irish Banter wanted to be full time Mr Nice he would have been Danny/Cristian #3, but would have been less popular as he doesn't have their looks. By being Mr Controversial he guaranteed AT, a large cult following and a certain protection and favouritism from the producers, who now have 45mins to fill of Chloe's nice girl shtick, Nick picking his nose and Joel interviewing in a patronising voice. I loathe Marc, but to claim he is not intelligent is, well not intelligent IMHO.

Don't make me defend Marc, ta.

Thank you.

Why is this so hard for other people to understand?

[ebandit]

but he could have been self aware enough..........not to look like an

evil genius...................

Mark L

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by ebandit

but he could have been self aware enough..........not to look like an

evil genius...................

Mark L

This is the post I agree with the most.

A man who is academically bright doesn't necessarily use that same brightness within his social circle. Marc had very little social awareness other than what he was being told from those coming into the house and he seemed to totally rely on that gift of knowledge rather than being able to sum himself up.

Academically clever but socially inept.