[DemolitionRed]

Is this man really fit to be our PM any more?

[MTVN]

I think this is what you call a loaded question

I will just say that no, he will not be the ruin of the country and leave it at that

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I think this is what you call a loaded question

I will just say that no, he will not be the ruin of the country and leave it at that

Bang On Right

[Kizzy]

I'll say no ..........doubt about it.

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'll say no ..........doubt about it.

[Tom4784]

He's one of the worst PMs we've ever had, Let's hope he gets a vote of no confidence sooner rather than later.

[BB4fan]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

He's one of the worst PMs we've ever had, Let's hope he gets a vote of no confidence sooner rather than later.

What did you think of Thatcher ...???

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by BB4fan

What did you think of Thatcher ...???

Let's pls never discuss this dark time in history ever again

[joeysteele]

I would have said he was never fit to run the country,I never believed his so called dedication to the NHS which was why I could not vote for him in 2010.

Since then as to judgement of people and policies,I have seen nothing really to alter my view of him.
Then the rotten heartlessness this govt,led by him has shown to the sick,disabled, and most vulnerable should be against peoples human rights in my view.

However,he has narrowly this time just escaped presiding over the break up of the United Kingdom had Scotland voted for same.
However that still may yet be something he faces again before he clears off for good.

He could also yet sleepwalk the UK out of the EU which in my view would be a total disaster taking the UK into a whole uncharted territory in the World with no guarantees of security as to same.
So yes he has the most potential of any Prime Minister post war to be the ruin of the United Kingdom and the Nations that make up the UK.


His bad judgements and worst of all his procrastination as to making policy on a whim and planning it for the far future, hoping it will somehow disappear is not a trait a PM should have and for me,I say unreservedly,he has discredited as to any decency,(with his policies for the weakest in society), the office of PM of the United Kingdom.

[Kizzy]

I'd like to hear a few positives... All I've heard is redirection, spin and downright lies.
What's good about a conservative govt, what have we gotten, achieved or proven?

[lewis111]

He's not great but he's not Donald Trump, we could have worse
And it depends what you mean by "country" as some may see that as the people, pay gaps, food bank usage etc. and some may see that as how well the country is doing business wise and economically if you know what I mean

[the truth]

Originally Posted by lewis111

He's not great but he's not Donald Trump, we could have worse
And it depends what you mean by "country" as some may see that as the people, pay gaps, food bank usage etc. and some may see that as how well the country is doing business wise and economically if you know what I mean

ahh the easy don trump cheap laughs.....at least he wouldn't sell us out to the chinese

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by lewis111

He's not great but he's not Donald Trump, we could have worse
And it depends what you mean by "country" as some may see that as the people, pay gaps, food bank usage etc. and some may see that as how well the country is doing business wise and economically if you know what I mean

Ok let's take economically wise, how are we doing. Even if you ignore people wise are we doing well?

[King Gizzard]

Osbourne more so

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Nathan

Osbourne more so

I don't think there is anything or at best very much between the two of them but yes I agree.

[MTVN]

Yeah Osborne's legacy will be bigger than Camerons. He's the brains behind economic policy, most of their long-term policies and is likely to be next leader.

Cameron will go down as an average Prime Minister IMO. He has overseen a solid - though by no means bulletproof - recovery, sought to modernise the party through initiatives like gay marriage and increased female representation, and overall been a very pragmatic leader who has ensured stable government even in a coalition. At other times its true that he has dithered, had several fiascos like tax credits and the Syria vote, he seems to lack any real convictions and he hasn't been able to fulfil a lot of his stated aims

An average leader? Yes. I can even see the case for people who would say he is a bad one. But ruin of the country? That's just sensationalism, and its not a view that would find much credence in any serious commentary.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yeah Osborne's legacy will be bigger than Camerons. He's the brains behind economic policy, most of their long-term policies and is likely to be next leader.

Cameron will go down as an average Prime Minister IMO. He has overseen a solid - though by no means bulletproof - recovery, sought to modernise the party through initiatives like gay marriage and increased female representation, and overall been a very pragmatic leader who has ensured stable government even in a coalition. At other times its true that he has dithered, had several fiascos like tax credits and the Syria vote, he seems to lack any real convictions and he hasn't been able to fulfil a lot of his stated aims

An average leader? Yes. I can even see the case for people who would say he is a bad one. But ruin of the country? That's just sensationalism, and its not a view that would find much credence in any serious commentary.

I beg to differ, I'd say judging by the evidence of what's happened to the country since the election the rest of his term fills me with dread, I don't think we've seen anything yet.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I beg to differ, I'd say judging by the evidence of what's happened to the country since the election the rest of his term fills me with dread, I don't think we've seen anything yet.

It fills me with dismay that whatever the recovery is which is in the main service based, which is often the weakest recoveries you get,that it is hailed a success when people who are most vulnerable sick and disabled are having their real funding cut.
As well as being demoralised with stupid form filling with some of the most ridiculous questions possible, and pathetic re-assessments of their health, people with terminal cancer being wheeled into the centres to be interviewed b a so called jumped up professional, wearing them down with questions.
I seen it and been appalled by it.
I am filled with fear for those people at the prospect of any more time with this heartless bunch of cowards who can only hit the weakest,never mind nearly 5 more years of them.

I go back to the point I made before, he almost presided over the Scots leaving what is the UK,by his rushing to try to pacify his extreme element as to the EU, and promising a referendum. he has now for the last 2 years and maybe 2 years more, cast a cloud over our membership of the EU.
A referendum, which were it be a vote to leave and I can see that being carried by the more selfish element of voters in the far South of England,then that could trigger the Scots to another independence referendum.

I said he had the potential to be the ruin of the UK,well if the vote was to leave the EU,then the Scots hold another independence vote and vote to split the UK.
Then he will not just have presided over ruining the UK but will have destroyed it, as without Scotland there really is no UK left in reality.

History I feel pretty sure will with full analysis wonder why this man could ever get to hold the highest office in the Country and IF, what I say above could happen does, then he will surely go down as the man who wrecked the United Kingdom that we have had for hundreds of years.

It always mystifies me how it can be talked about a recovery,when this man is in part building that recovery off the backs off the sick,disabled and most vulnerable by taking off them.
In any decent society,that should be unacceptable anywhere, anytime, anyhow.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yeah Osborne's legacy will be bigger than Camerons. He's the brains behind economic policy, most of their long-term policies and is likely to be next leader.

Cameron will go down as an average Prime Minister IMO. He has overseen a solid - though by no means bulletproof - recovery, sought to modernise the party through initiatives like gay marriage and increased female representation, and overall been a very pragmatic leader who has ensured stable government even in a coalition. At other times its true that he has dithered, had several fiascos like tax credits and the Syria vote, he seems to lack any real convictions and he hasn't been able to fulfil a lot of his stated aims

An average leader? Yes. I can even see the case for people who would say he is a bad one. But ruin of the country? That's just sensationalism, and its not a view that would find much credence in any serious commentary.

Thanks to fudged employment numbers.

Sure, they can say "look at all these people back in work" but really, we all know that most of those people are on £2.80 per hour "apprenticeships" or putting people who cannot find a job into "workfare placements", with both of these schemes meaning less people being payed the full legal minimum wage. The recovery is pure bull****, and everyone knows it, we never really left the recession, we just learned how to pause it.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yeah Osborne's legacy will be bigger than Camerons. He's the brains behind economic policy, most of their long-term policies and is likely to be next leader.

Cameron will go down as an average Prime Minister IMO. He has overseen a solid - though by no means bulletproof - recovery, sought to modernise the party through initiatives like gay marriage and increased female representation, and overall been a very pragmatic leader who has ensured stable government even in a coalition. At other times its true that he has dithered, had several fiascos like tax credits and the Syria vote, he seems to lack any real convictions and he hasn't been able to fulfil a lot of his stated aims

An average leader? Yes. I can even see the case for people who would say he is a bad one. But ruin of the country? That's just sensationalism, and its not a view that would find much credence in any serious commentary.

[user104658]

He's helped to craft the mirage of a recovery MTVN; to call it "solid" is, at the very least, jumping the gun. Let's look back on it in ten years and then judge what sort of a recovery we've had, if any.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

He's helped to craft the mirage of a recovery MTVN; to call it "solid" is, at the very least, jumping the gun. Let's look back on it in ten years and then judge what sort of a recovery we've had, if any.

All things considered it is fairly solid, and compared to the rest of Europe we're in ok shape. Its not completely secure no but then it's hard to have any recovery that is that secure when we're as exposed as we are to world markets and the global economy, and that's just a fact of life now really.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by MTVN

All things considered it is fairly solid, and compared to the rest of Europe we're in ok shape. Its not completely secure no but then it's hard to have any recovery that is that secure when we're as exposed as we are to world markets and the global economy, and that's just a fact of life now really.

Toy Soldier is bang on right with that comment of his you quoted.

What's really alarming is, people still believe we are in okay shape. We are not and its got nothing to do with our global financialization and all to do with upping the percentage on this ludicrous 'austerity project'.

Consumerism is now at an all time low, government spending is at an all time low and so is the GDP. This sort of radical austerity plan that’s been going on over the past three and a bit years, has reduced growth so much that its undercut government revenue and if you undercut government revenue, its impossible to shrink the deficit. http://europeansnapshot.com/2013/08/

Its disturbing that the UK’s performance is worse than France. This is what the Wall Street Journal had to say about them this time last year. http://www.wsj.com/articles/france-d...ess-1416254909

Between 2012 and 2013 the Conservatives suddenly appeared to see sense by considerably lowering their pull back on austerity. Our economy came out of stagnation and actually started to recover, things started looking up but when it came to Cameron's election campaign he promised his nation a further 2% cut in government spending and he lied to his nation by telling us all that 'austerity' was the ticket that had lifted our economy, when in fact it was the complete opposite.

Its not what Cameron and Osborne are doing to our economy that frightens me; its that people in general don't understand what they are doing or worse, they believe all this mess is for the greater good!. Whilst Joe public still blame the Labour party for the mess we now find ourselves in, (which makes zero sense) our present government are destroying the future of Britain, whilst reassuring us that its all going to plan.


https://www.oxfam.org/sites/www.oxfa...-120913-en.pdf

According to Oxfam
if these spending cuts continue 800,000 British children will live in poverty over the next decade.

Over 1.5 million working age adults will fall into extreme poverty.

and the bottom 10% of British earners will have seen their incomes fall 38% over this governments five year term.

What's sad is, the victims of this result will be many of the British people who presently believe Cameron and Osborne are harmless.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Toy Soldier is bang on right with that comment of his you quoted.

What's really alarming is, people still believe we are in okay shape. We are not and its got nothing to do with our global financialization and all to do with upping the percentage on this ludicrous 'austerity project'.

Consumerism is now at an all time low, government spending is at an all time low and so is the GDP. This sort of radical austerity plan that’s been going on over the past three and a bit years, has reduced growth so much that its undercut government revenue and if you undercut government revenue, its impossible to shrink the deficit. http://europeansnapshot.com/2013/08/

Its disturbing that the UK’s performance is worse than France. This is what the Wall Street Journal had to say about them this time last year. http://www.wsj.com/articles/france-d...ess-1416254909

Between 2012 and 2013 the Conservatives suddenly appeared to see sense by considerably lowering their pull back on austerity. Our economy came out of stagnation and actually started to recover, things started looking up but when it came to Cameron's election campaign he promised his nation a further 2% cut in government spending and he lied to his nation by telling us all that 'austerity' was the ticket that had lifted our economy, when in fact it was the complete opposite.

Its not what Cameron and Osborne are doing to our economy that frightens me; its that people in general don't understand what they are doing or worse, they believe all this mess is for the greater good!. Whilst Joe public still blame the Labour party for the mess we now find ourselves in, (which makes zero sense) our present government are destroying the future of Britain, whilst reassuring us that its all going to plan.


https://www.oxfam.org/sites/www.oxfa...-120913-en.pdf

According to Oxfam
if these spending cuts continue 800,000 British children will live in poverty over the next decade.

Over 1.5 million working age adults will fall into extreme poverty.

and the bottom 10% of British earners will have seen their incomes fall 38% over this governments five year term.

What's sad is, the victims of this result will be many of the British people who presently believe Cameron and Osborne are harmless.

It's not disturbing at all. It's well known now that France has got its act together since the difficult times you refer to there and that their economy has improved significantly in the last year.

Judge our country against most indicators of a solid economy and across the board we're in ok shape: employment is up, growth continues even if it slowed in the last quarter, the pound is strong, inflation is not a concern, business investment is increasing, and earnings and household spending have been slowly picking up as well. I'm hardly claiming the Tories have performed miracles but overall it's not bad. Barring another global shock - which is of course possible - we are very unlikely to be in serious trouble anytime soon. Sorry if that makes me just another ignorant member of Joe Public but it is possible that other people have also read widely and come to different conclusions to you.

[bots]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It's not disturbing at all. It's well known now that France has got its act together since the difficult times you refer to there and that their economy has improved significantly in the last year.

Judge our country against most indicators of a solid economy and across the board we're in ok shape: employment is up, growth continues even if it slowed in the last quarter, the pound is strong, inflation is not a concern, business investment is increasing, and earnings and household spending have been slowly picking up as well. I'm hardly claiming the Tories have performed miracles but overall it's not bad. Barring another global shock - which is of course possible - we are very unlikely to be in serious trouble anytime soon. Sorry if that makes me just another ignorant member of Joe Public but it is possible that other people have also read widely and come to different conclusions to you.

well said sir