[Crimson Dynamo]

Jesus who would be a lorry driver with that lot?



http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c61_1448560291

[Kizzy]

So what's on there then, does he get beat up?

[bots]

that's just a mental number of illegals trying to get in to the UK, its so blatant too

[Kizzy]

The guy is insane, ranting along to his ministry of sound 98 trying to run people over :/

[kirklancaster]

He should be more careful with all those streams of poor women and children about as usual.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The guy is insane, ranting along to his ministry of sound 98 trying to run people over :/

No - the insane ones are those who REALLY believe that these fit, well clad, well shod, healthy young men are genuine 'Refugees' and not opportunist ******* chancers.

And the DANGEROUSLY INSANE ones are those who believe the above and try to CONVINCE or INTIMIDATE the rest of us into agreeing.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

No - the insane ones are those who REALLY believe that these fit, well clad, well shod, healthy young men are genuine 'Refugees' and not opportunist ******* chancers.

And the DANGEROUSLY INSANE ones are those who believe the above and try to CONVINCE or INTIMIDATE the rest of us into agreeing.

Ah right, it's not people who say that those seeking refuge from war are all well shod chancers that are making wild generalisations?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Ah right, it's not people who say that those seeking refuge from war are all well shod chancers that are making wild generalisations?

Here you go again - deliberately MISREPRESENTING what I have posted and what is here on this thread for ALL the world to see.

WHERE do I say that "those seeking refuge from war are ALL well shod chancers"? Or to couch it as you are deceitfully trying to imply; Where do I say that ALL Refugees are Chancers?

I am referring SPECIFICALLY to all these hundreds of fit, well clad, healthy young men in this SPECIFIC video which LT posted on this SPECIFIC thread - WHAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT THIS?

Please stop 'straw clutching' and 'misrepresenting' if you want to discuss or debate with me.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Here you go again - deliberately MISREPRESENTING what I have posted and what is here on this thread for ALL the world to see.

WHERE do I say that "those seeking refuge from war are all well shod chancers"?

I am referring SPECIFICALLY to all these hundreds of fit, well clad, healthy young men in this SPECIFIC video which LT posted on this SPECIFIC thread - WHAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT THIS?

Please stop 'straw clutching' and 'misrepresenting' if you want to discuss or debate with me.

'these fit, well clad, well shod, healthy young men are genuine 'Refugees' and not opportunist ******* chancers.'

Here, you infer it here Kirk... You can write chapter and verse on why I'm wrong but that's how it comes across, sorry.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Ah right, it's not people who say that those seeking refuge from war are all well shod chancers that are making wild generalisations?

every one of that lot were 18-25 economic migrants. Real refugees do not hurl rocks at lory drivers and have mobiles to call as they are looking to stowaway to get to England

did you watch the video?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

every one of that lot were 18-25 economic migrants. Real refugees do not hurl rocks at lory drivers and have mobiles to call as they are looking to stowaway to get to England

did you watch the video?

They didn't hurl rocks until he tried to plough into them with his lorry :/

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

every one of that lot were 18-25 economic migrants. Real refugees do not hurl rocks at lory drivers and have mobiles to call as they are looking to stowaway to get to England

did you watch the video?

I did - and I see what you see, but I also KNOW that these ***** are no refugees.

[Mystic Mock]

Well as his from Hungary did he try to eat them after trying to run them over?

[arista]

He is getting Angry with them


Its understandable

[Livia]

Again... how many "safe" countries have this lot (all these able-bodied young men) been through in order to reach Calais so they can get here? And why? No one needs to answer, we all know the answer already.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

Again... how many "safe" countries have this lot (all these able-bodied young men) been through in order to reach Calais so they can get here? And why? No one needs to answer, we all know the answer already.

I don't know the answer actually for one and I wouldn't myself presume to judge them just negatively either until I knew for certain, 100%, the answer too as to them.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I don't know the answer actually for one and I wouldn't myself presume to judge them just negatively either until I knew for certain, 100%, the answer too as to them.

They are predominantly young men between 18 and 30 trying to enter this country illegally. That's how I judge them. And if they're trying to enter here illegally it makes me question the legitimacy of their refugee status, or surely a large number of them would have stopped at the first safe country they arrived in... or the second... or the third.

The best way for refugees to enter this country is via the UN camps where we can have some kind of certainty about who the people entering are and we can make a priority of families with kids.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

They are predominantly young men between 18 and 30 trying to enter this country illegally. That's how I judge them. And if they're trying to enter here illegally it makes me question the legitimacy of their refugee status, or surely a large number of them would have stopped at the first safe country they arrived in... or the second... or the third.

The best way for refugees to enter this country is via the UN camps where we can have some kind of certainty about who the people entering are and we can make a priority of families with kids.

If they know about such places and the system fair enough, what if they are just so desperate to feel safer that they try to cut corners,
We don't know them personally to understand why in desperation people appear to do strange things.
I really don't see what age has to do with things either,facing being forced into military service and getting your head lopped off by IS or others, or becoming part of IS and getting bombed to blazes. no wonder they try to flee.

Until we were in such desperate situations, we can only assume what could be the panic and fear these people feel.
There may not be any rational answer at all as to how and why they act in such a desperate situation.

Not for me there isn't anyway.
It is far too easy to take the line of all is either black or white while totally ignoring all the vast grey areas.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

If they know about such places and the system fair enough, what if they are just so desperate to feel safer that they try to cut corners,
We don't know them personally to understand why in desperation people appear to do strange things.
I really don't see what age has to do with things either,facing being forced into military service and getting your head lopped off by IS or others, or becoming part of IS and getting bombed to blazes. no wonder they try to flee.

Until we were in such desperate situations, we can only assume what could be the panic and fear these people feel.
There may not be any rational answer at all as to how and why they act in such a desperate situation.

Not for me there isn't anyway.
It is far too easy to take the line of all is either black or white while totally ignoring all the vast grey areas.

I don't know how I would behave if I was under ISIS rule.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Livia

They are predominantly young men between 18 and 30 trying to enter this country illegally. That's how I judge them. And if they're trying to enter here illegally it makes me question the legitimacy of their refugee status, or surely a large number of them would have stopped at the first safe country they arrived in... or the second... or the third.

The best way for refugees to enter this country is via the UN camps where we can have some kind of certainty about who the people entering are and we can make a priority of families with kids.

COMMON SENSE.

[Ammi]

..what a grumpy Hungarian...

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Livia

Again... how many "safe" countries have this lot (all these able-bodied young men) been through in order to reach Calais so they can get here? And why? No one needs to answer, we all know the answer already.

Exactly

[Cherie]

I don't really understand why they are allowed to set up camp and basically harrass drivers and put their livelihoods at risk, shame on France for not sorting it.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I don't really understand why they are allowed to set up camp and basically harrass drivers and put their livelihoods at risk, shame on France for not sorting it.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Again... how many "safe" countries have this lot (all these able-bodied young men) been through in order to reach Calais so they can get here? And why? No one needs to answer, we all know the answer already.

, the migrants at Calais account for as little as 1% of those who have arrived in Europe so far this year. Estimates suggest that between 2,000-5,000 migrants have reached Calais, which is between 1% and 2.5% of the more than 200,000 who have landed in Italy and Greece.'

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...refugee-crisis