[ThriceShy]

I am not one of these hysterical types who cries racism at the slightest thing but looking at that episode as a whole I definitely think there were racist motives to what went on.

Every stereotype came out, John with the plate of chicken, them all claiming to be scared of Tiffany, the laziness thing about tiffany not helping round the house.

And the incident that led to all this just wasn't bad enough. She was being treated as badly as shahbaz and all she had done was be involved in a misunderstanding and shout at a few people.

You also have to think it is a bit of a coincidence that the 2 black housemates, Winston and tiffany, have both been ganged up on and attempted to be rid of just because of a single incident.

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Of course. If she was white more than one would have conrnered her and petted her talmbout "it was a simple mistake hun" "For 30 seconds I thought it was David here too"

[Vicky.]

I don't think it was at all, though I havent heard the chicken thing so the jurys still out on that for now

I fail to see how the Winston thing can be blamed on racism tbh

[Denver]

What if they were cooking chicken for dinner?

[seanraff07]

Don't think it was racism, but bullying - yes.

[Pete.]

The chicken comment was a tad racist

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Pete.

The chicken comment was a tad racist

It's not only black people who eat chicken. Maybe they had chicken for their last meal? Maybe they were having it for the next! Makes me laugh that people can find excuses to call someone a racist without any basis at all.

[Amy Jade]

I didn't hear it but it was bullying and manipulative.

[Stevep]

Nothing to do with racism, more to do with a clash of cultures i feel. Tiffany herself said she has no common ground with any of the HMs the other night, therefore sadly she has become isolated. After she completely lost it tonight it's only natural for the others to side with Angie.

It's also worth noting that Jonathan chose Tiffany for immunity yesterday and tonight called her bonkers for her reaction, that alone demonstrates how bad/nasty her reaction may have been.

[SDJ85]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

I am not one of these hysterical types who cries racism at the slightest thing but looking at that episode as a whole I definitely think there were racist motives to what went on.

Every stereotype came out, John with the plate of chicken, them all claiming to be scared of Tiffany, the laziness thing about tiffany not helping round the house.

And the incident that led to all this just wasn't bad enough. She was being treated as badly as shahbaz and all she had done was be involved in a misunderstanding and shout at a few people.

You also have to think it is a bit of a coincidence that the 2 black housemates, Winston and tiffany, have both been ganged up on and attempted to be rid of just because of a single incident.

I agree 100% that there were racist motives present - and I say that as a white British male. It is terrible that Big Brother has allowed such blatant bullying to occur. I do not think that Tiffany over-reacted in the slightest, nor was she aggressive - if everybody ganged up on me like that I would've probably reacted worse in the heat of the moment.

You could see that she was truly sorry for the misunderstanding, and the offering of her condolences to Angie was clearly more genuine than anybody else's.

It was very difficult to watch this poor girl, having been isolated by the group - who clearly will do whatever nasty John says, attempt to be the bigger person and make amends with her fellow housemates, only to be shunned once again.

I hate to say it, but I do not think it's a coincidence that the two black housemates have been unfairly ganged up on. Ok - so Winston's views may have been controversial, but he is absolutely entitled to those views.

If he or Tiff were white or gay, things would not have escalated the way they have. FACT.

This is bigger that Big Brother. It's 2016 - this sort of thing should not be happening. It is shocking to see.

First time I've ever posted on here but I felt so strongly about what I saw that I needed to vent!

[Northern Monkey]

No racism there.Just a pack mentality.People are way too quick to shout racism in this country.

[MrWong]

Johnathan was angry when he said it so maybe.

Wish we knew what they had for dinner.

[lostalex]

I don't think it was about racism. I think it was about the fact that everyone has felt like Tiffany has been lazy around the house when it comes to chores and helping out, and this was just an excuse to finally confront her and rally around getting her out. I think they were frustrated because they all planned on nominating her, but she got the immunity and so they all feel vulnerable because they can't nominate her.

It's much more about the fact that they all planned on nominating her and having her evicted, but now they are all more vulnerable because they can't nominate her and one of them will be evicted instead.

and let's face it, they will get the americans out first. angie, tiffany, and david will be nominated every time, i garuntee it. the brits always put the americans up first.

[Livia]

Winston McKenzie says gay adoption is tantamount to child abuse and there are howls of protest and threads dedicated to his right to freedom of expression. A white man makes a seemingly innocuous comment about a plate of chicken and he's racist. You really couldn't make it up.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Livia

Winston McKenzie says gay adoption is tantamount to child abuse and there are howls of protest and threads dedicated to his right to freedom of expression. A white man makes a seemingly innocuous comment about a plate of chicken and he's racist. You really couldn't make it up.

it's just contrarianism.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Winston McKenzie says gay adoption is tantamount to child abuse and there are howls of protest and threads dedicated to his right to freedom of expression. A white man makes a seemingly innocuous comment about a plate of chicken and he's racist. You really couldn't make it up.

It isn't innocuous. It is a well known stereotype.

Putting any racism aside for a moment.....do you really believe that John has behaved better than Winston?

Winston simply gave his opinion when forced into it by BB. He was completely respectful. John has proved himself to be a vile and crual person who seems to take delight in ostracising people.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

It isn't innocuous. It is a well known stereotype.

Putting any racism aside for a moment.....do you really believe that John has behaved better than Winston?

Winston simply gave his opinion when forced into it by BB. He was completely respectful. John has proved himself to be a vile and crual person who seems to take delight in ostracising people.

I could understand John reaction to Winstons opinions because he is a gay man and it was personally offensive to him.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

It isn't innocuous. It is a well known stereotype.

Putting any racism aside for a moment.....do you really believe that John has behaved better than Winston?

Winston simply gave his opinion when forced into it by BB. He was completely respectful. John has proved himself to be a vile and crual person who seems to take delight in ostracising people.

It's actually not a well known stereotype in the UK. I'd never heard of it before and I use the internet! Also it sounds a rather stupid stereotype. I eat a lot of chicken, its healthier than red meat. What's up with chicken?

Maybe I'm naive but I think shouting racism for every little thing is more of an issue than a comment about chicken dinners. Its like looking for a problem that isnt there yet. Just treating people the same whatever their colour is the way it ought to be.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

It's actually not a well known stereotype in the UK. I'd never heard of it before and I use the internet! Also it sounds a rather stupid stereotype. I eat a lot of chicken, its healthier than red meat. What's up with chicken?

Maybe I'm naive but I think shouting racism for every little thing is more of an issue than just treating people the same whatever their colour.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereo...#Fried_chicken

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereo...#Fried_chicken

I still think it's a ridiculous stereotype. And we aren't American so that stereotype probably wouldn't occur to anyone in the house.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereo...#Fried_chicken

Jaxie said it's not a well-known stereotype in the UK. So you post a Wiki page supporting his statement. Bit odd.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by jaxie

It's actually not a well known stereotype in the UK. I'd never heard of it before and I use the internet! Also it sounds a rather stupid stereotype. I eat a lot of chicken, its healthier than red meat. What's up with chicken?

Maybe I'm naive but I think shouting racism for every little thing is more of an issue than a comment about chicken dinners. Its like looking for a problem that isnt there yet. Just treating people the same whatever their colour is the way it ought to be.

i think it's specifically fried chicken...because it's originally from the south, and a lot of southern cuisine was invented by the black cooks working for whites...plus because slaves were given the scraps of meat, they tended to deep fry them to make it taste better because they were given the worst foods, so they did whatever they could to add flavor. they fried everything in the left over fat to add flavor. that's basically where all soul food comes from.

but yea, fried chicken is definitely associated with black people.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

i think it's specifically fried chicken...because it's originally from the south, and a lot of southern cuisine was invented by the black cooks working for whites...plus because slaves were given the scraps of meat, they tended to deep fry them to make it taste better because they were given the worst foods, so they did whatever they could to add flavor. they fried everything in the left over fat to add flavor. that's basically where all soul food comes from.

but yea, fried chicken is definitely associated with black people.

Yep, I certainly knew about the stereotype and knew what john was getting at immediately.

There is also a well known watermelon stereotype too.

[Denver]

You ask any black person if they found that racist and 99% would say no and I know for sure my Grandad was not offended

[SDJ85]

I just asked my black roommate what he thought and he agreed that the house is starting to come across that way, so I guess he must be the 1%.