[Josy]

Thought we could have a thread in here discussing the case at the centre of the Making a Murderer documentary and all the theories surrounding it.

So if you've watched do you think Steven and Brendan are guilty?

Having watched the series and read lots of information that's freely available online I am pretty certain that they are both innocent and were framed (rather obviously IMO) by the Manitowoc County Police Department.

Links to the online transcripts of the court cases etc..

Dassey transcripts and interrogations

http://stevenaveryproject.com/dassey-files/

Avery transcripts and interrogations

http://stevenaveryproject.com/avery-...l-transcripts/

Under the Avery Transcripts it has 50 or so official crime scene photos.

[Cal.]

They're both guilty.

(From what I've seen so far)

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Who Is She?

They're both guilty.

So do you have any reasons why you think that?

I'm just quite shocked that anyone could watch the entire series and not come away at the end thinking that theres some highly suspicious stuff going on there.

I know some say it was all one sided but all of the information is available online for anyone to read.

Also Kathleen Zellner has now taken charge of Steven's appeals and she is well known for taking on wrongful conviction and exoneration cases, I just can't see her getting involved if she had any doubts at all that they werent guilty.

[Cal.]

I just can't get over that her remains were in his firepit. I'm sorry.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Who Is She?

I just can't get over that her remains were in his firepit. I'm sorry.

Fair enough

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Who Is She?

I just can't get over that her remains were in his firepit. I'm sorry.

But what about the fact that that cop Colburn rang in the missing car to dispatch 2 days before the car was actually found on Steve Averys property? And the fire expert guy saying it was likely the burned remains had been moved to the pit closest to Steves home?

The cops had motive to pin it on Steve since they were just about to get sued for millions plus have their reputations left in tatters, it's not like they didn't have form for pinning something on him, they were by no means ethical cops

[Kizzy]

My daughter was telling me about this, she thinks they were set up to get out of paying the compensation for the wrongful conviction.

[Iceman]

It's so ****ed up. He was to be paid a huge amount and then he goes and murders someone. No way would anyone do that. All the evidence is too tampered with or non existent for my liking too. Not to mention the juror saying he feared for his life.

[Marsh.]

But he seems a highly unbalanced individual to me. I mean, granted he's not going to be the most stable of people spending that long in prison for something he didn't do.

But I don't think he's entirely innocent. But the corruption amongst the police/government is shocking.

[Brother Leon]

There is no way either of them should have been convicted looking at just the evidence and the Trial. There is something about Steven though.... Poor Brendan was the true travesty though. Poor kid.

[Smithy]

Obviously not guilty, I think the most overwhelming thing for me was that his blood was found in her car, (presumably) from the cut on his finger, but there were no fingerprints, plus her body had been put in the back of her own car, which makes NO sense

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Obviously not guilty, I think the most overwhelming thing for me was that his blood was found in her car, (presumably) from the cut on his finger, but there were no fingerprints, plus her body had been put in the back of her own car, which makes NO sense

Plus according to the story Brendan told, they raped and cut Theresas throat in Steves bedroom but not a single piece of blood, skin, hair, body fluids were found in there

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Plus according to the story Brendan told, they raped and cut Theresas throat in Steves bedroom but not a single piece of blood, skin, hair, body fluids were found in there

Yeah it's hilarious, you slit someone's throat there is going to be blood EVERYWHERE and on a matress/duvet/carpet it's gonna be impossible to clean but nothing found at all and they still managed to be convicted

[Paula D]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Plus according to the story Brendan told, they raped and cut Theresas throat in Steves bedroom but not a single piece of blood, skin, hair, body fluids were found in there

This was the bit that completely convinced me that Brendan had nothing to do with it at least. There's absolutely no way that you could cut someone's throat and there not be some blood left in the room, no matter how good a cleaner you are.

I'm fully convinced Brendan didn't do anything except maybe witness his stepfather being involved. I'm still not fully convinced about Stephen, he just didn't come across well but then he had a terrible life even up to that so who would be normal I suppose?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Paula D

This was the bit that completely convinced me that Brendan had nothing to do with it at least. There's absolutely no way that you could cut someone's throat and there not be some blood left in the room, no matter how good a cleaner you are.

I'm fully convinced Brendan didn't do anything except maybe witness his stepfather being involved. I'm still not fully convinced about Stephen, he just didn't come across well but then he had a terrible life even up to that so who would be normal I suppose?

hhhmmm I don't know, i do still think Steven did it. I think at the very least Brendan helped him clean the garage as both their clothes had bleach on them as did the garage and Brendan told them they'd bleached the garage

[Paula D]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

hhhmmm I don't know, i do still think Steven did it. I think at the very least Brendan helped him clean the garage as both their clothes had bleach on them as did the garage and Brendan told them they'd bleached the garage

I don't remember the evidence about the bleach but to be fair, the police planted so much evidence a bit of bleach wouldn't be very hard.

How do you explain that no blood evidence was found in the trailer?

[Niamh.]

Meant to post this here instead of the other thread. This theory makes so much sense :

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2016/0...n_9048104.html

[Niamh.]

Jeez all these theories sound pretty plausible actually

http://www.tv.com/shows/making-a-mur...-145382448447/

[DemolitionRed]

I have so got to watch this.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I have so got to watch this.

You really need to DR

[Josy]

I've been obsessed since watching it.

All of the case files are available to read online, the whole thing.

There's a huge protest in Manitowoc today too to get some media attention about the dodgy evidence.

Even if you do think they are guilty, no one can deny that they deserve a new fair trial.

[Josy]

Also the entire 4 hours of brendans interviews as well as the first one when him and his brother were pulled over coming back from the families cabin is also online.

He always sticks to the same story about coming home from school, playing playstation etc, until they start pressuring him.

[Josy]

And how can they have found one guilty saying she was murdered in the garage and the other saying she was murdered in the bedroom, what the **** is that all about

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Josy

And how can they have found one guilty saying she was murdered in the garage and the other saying she was murdered in the bedroom, what the **** is that all about

yeah by the same lawyer too, crazy. Seems it was right that Kratz was a sleaze bucket as well after seeing what happened to him afterwards

[Niamh.]

So for the people who think Steve is innocent, who do you think actually did it?