[Crimson Dynamo]

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'Islam hates us': Donald Trump says invasion of Iraq was the 'worst decision in US history' and turned the Arab nation into the 'Harvard of terrorism'

• Donald Trump said invading Iraq was the 'worst decision in history'
• He described former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein as a 'terrorist hunter'
• He said since Saddam's execution, Iraq is now the 'Harvard of Terrorism'
• Trump made the comments during an interview with Anderson Cooper

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DaveinHants, Winchester, 4 hours ago

Sorry, but hes right.


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[Glenn.]

I wouldn't say its strictly incorrect. That's all I'm prepared to say on the matter.

[arista]

Yes Extreme Islamic's do

[Northern Monkey]

Islamists hate us that's for sure.I would'nt say all muslims do though unless they do it secretly.
Loving the controversial LT threads as of late.I think this may be atleast a ten pager.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Loving the controversial LT threads as of late.I think this may be atleast a ten pager.

Doubt it, they're becoming samey, boring and predictable. This one is at less than one page and it's already morphed into an argument that's already been covered twice in the last few days .

He's right about Iraq. The rest I just find worrying because, to be honest, he comes across as simply not having given it much thought at all

"There's, umm, err, a hatred. A tremendous hatred. Loads and loads of that hatred stuff that made out of hate. I think maybe they hate us? I dunno. hate."

"All of Islam?"

"Urr... wha? I dunno you'd have to figure that out. I think there's some hatred sauce going on somewhere that's for sure."

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Islamists hate us that's for sure.I would'nt say all muslims do though unless they do it secretly.
Loving the controversial LT threads as of late.I think this may be atleast a ten pager.

Tbf his not saying Muslims though, his being very clever on his wording as he is describing the Religion itself rather than the Muslim followers.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbf his not saying Muslims though, his being very clever on his wording as he is describing the Religion itself rather than the Muslim followers.

THANK YOU MOCK for spotting this truth. Whether Trump is being clever or not you are right.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I don't get it

I was admiring your oratory, a beautiful spiral of justification to show that Trump's contradictory statements are not contradictory in their contradictions. I was doing this by creating the allegory of a "goal", with you "saving" right on the line, thereby performing an "epic save" with your words.

It's almost right up there with...

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbf his not saying Muslims though, his being very clever on his wording as he is describing the Religion itself rather than the Muslim followers.

The suggestion that Trump is being "very clever" and somehow invalidating rebuttal or retaliation by making sweeping statements about "Islam" instead of "Muslims" .

"Bah! I hate Christianity. Scummy religion full of judgement and hate, ruining the world with it's exclusivity and cultist manner. It really is the absolute dregs of religion and we should absolutely never trust Christianity!!

... Love Christians though ,wonderful folks."

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I was admiring your oratory, a beautiful spiral of justification to show that Trump's contradictory statements are not contradictory in their contradictions. I was doing this by creating the allegory of a "goal", with you "saving" right on the line, thereby performing an "epic save" with your words.

It's almost right up there with...



The suggestion that Trump is being "very clever" and somehow invalidating rebuttal or retaliation by making sweeping statements about "Islam" instead of "Muslims" .

"Bah! I hate Christianity. Scummy religion full of judgement and hate, ruining the world with it's exclusivity and cultist manner. It really is the absolute dregs of religion and we should absolutely never trust Christianity!!

... Love Christians though ,wonderful folks."

Well probably 95% of people now admit that Iraq was a massive mistake but over 90% of MPs still voted for the UK to bomb ISIS in the country. A lot of people will also say that the Iraq invasion was a big mistake but not the action against the country in the Gulf war. I don't think its a contradiction to point out the obvious that not all military intervention is exactly the same.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well probably 95% of people now admit that Iraq was a massive mistake but over 90% of MPs still voted for the UK to bomb ISIS in the country. A lot of people will also say that the Iraq invasion was a big mistake but not the action against the country in the Gulf war. I don't think its a contradiction to point out the obvious that not all military intervention is exactly the same.

95% of people admit that Iraq was a mistake and a direct contributing factor on the rise of ISIS? Where are these people, and how can I join their forum, because the last time it came up on here that opinion was NOT popular at all.

[DemolitionRed]

I totally agree with Trump about this. I'm very aware that Trump stood firmly against the Iraq invasion and he claims that if he gets in, he will be pulling out of Syria. One thing Trump isn't is a war mongerer. He's an American nationalist which means he will never want to be dragged into dropping bombs in far away places.

The problem I have is, he blames America for what is now happening in the middle east but at the same time, refuses to take responsibility when he claims he will turn away those fleeing from war.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I totally agree with Trump about this. I'm very aware that Trump stood firmly against the Iraq invasion and he claims that if he gets in, he will be pulling out of Syria. One thing Trump isn't is a war mongerer. He's an American nationalist which means he will never want to be dragged into dropping bombs in far away places.

The problem I have is, he blames America for what is now happening in the middle east but at the same time, refuses to take responsibility when he claims he will turn away those fleeing from war.

This is gonna be no fun if everyone agrees is it?Think of some anti Trump rhetoric immediately

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

This is gonna be no fun if everyone agrees is it?Think of some anti Trump rhetoric immediately

I did! go back and read the bottom paragraph

Seriously though NM, whatever band wagon you jump on, never be the person who can only find bad in a person simply because you're not interested in the good.
There are quite a few things I like about Trump, his war stance is one of them but for me, his rallying of racism overshadows anything good that he does.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I did! go back and read the bottom paragraph

Seriously though NM, whatever band wagon you jump on, never be the person who can only find bad in a person simply because you're not interested in the good.
There are quite a few things I like about Trump, his war stance is one of them but for me, his rallying of racism overshadows anything good that he does.

What racism has he said?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

What racism has he said?

Do you really want to go there? We've been talking about the rise of racism since the political birth of Trump for weeks...months even. You don't agree because you agree with Trump and so there's no point trying to debate the racism issue any further with you.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I did! go back and read the bottom paragraph

Seriously though NM, whatever band wagon you jump on, never be the person who can only find bad in a person simply because you're not interested in the good.
There are quite a few things I like about Trump, his war stance is one of them but for me, his rallying of racism overshadows anything good that he does.

For me.He is a joke.One that becomes less funny the further he gets.He has the right idea in protecting the country but takes it way too far.America imo needs somebody with passion for protecting the American people but less extreme.But i do know very little of US politics.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

For me.He is a joke.One that becomes less funny the further he gets.He has the right idea in protecting the country but takes it way too far.America imo needs somebody with passion for protecting the American people but less extreme.But i do know very little of US politics.

yep... he may be a master sales-man and he's a played around with all sorts of new businesses but the U.S. presidency is one toy he's not yet owned and I for one, just can't see him as a commander-in-chief. If he makes it into the oval office, I don't think he's going to be there for long.

[Kazanne]

He's right,they do hate us ,as shown by them on numerous occasions.

[Tom4784]

He's right in that the Iraq war was a massive mistake, we're largely responsible for the state of the middle east, we destablised the region and allowed IS to take root.

He's wrong about the 'Islam hates us' statement. Millions of people do not hate the West, the Quran doesn't preach hatred against us. The problem is that a bunch of people are simply using the worst parts of the Quran to justify and manipulate the disillusioned into helping them. Framing the current state of affairs as a war against Islam is exactly what the terrorists want, it's a war against terrorism, not religion.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

He's right in that the Iraq war was a massive mistake, we're largely responsible for the state of the middle east, we destablised the region and allowed IS to take root.

He's wrong about the 'Islam hates us' statement. Millions of people do not hate the West, the Quran doesn't preach hatred against us. The problem is that a bunch of people are simply using the worst parts of the Quran to justify and manipulate the disillusioned into helping them. Framing the current state of affairs as a war against Islam is exactly what the terrorists want, it's a war against terrorism, not religion.

..perfectly said Dezzy....he's still 'preaching hate' and not differentiating between extreme terrorism hate and Muslims...

[Samm]

No, only around 7% actually don't like the west, donald is wrong again

Source: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kq4BFIoPCLI

[EspeonBB]

Well he's right about the Iraq War being a huge mistake but he's generalising all Muslims as terrorists who hate the West again, when only a small minority are

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by EspeonBB

Well he's right about the Iraq War being a huge mistake but he's generalising all Muslims as terrorists who hate the West again, when only a small minority are

...yeah Shaun, I can't really see anything much different here to the stance he's always had...these Muslims hate us/they will hurt us, or else we can't be certain which ones would aim to so let's be suspicious of all of them to be on the safe side...let's not make the mistake that Paris did in welcoming them...

[bots]

All Trump is saying is that America needs to be careful about letting in people who hate the USA and in fairness to him, that's what he has always said with respect to Muslims entering the country. He wants intake to be controlled and monitored, People have exaggerated his views into some form of muslim hatred.

The guy is an idiot, no doubts there, but we should stop attributing things to him that he has not been promoting.

[Kizzy]

Isn't it exactly what Katie Hopkins was saying, basically if you're Muslim you must be a terrorist? :/