[Yaki da]

... Every other word the person he's talking to say.

For some reason viewers who - like Andy - think they're more intelligent than they are, seem to like this guy. But he never stops showing what a condescending prick he is.

[Pete.]

He's awful and people are buying into his act for reasons beyond me

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by Pete.

He's awful and people are buying into his act for reasons beyond me

He goes off to the diary room to congratulate himself for his integrity.

Self righteous twat.

[GiRTh]

Agree. Andy's a prick

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Yes he should listen to the advice of these housemates who have done nothing but treated him like a scapegoat for weeks.

[Yaki da]

Originally Posted by DrunkerThanMoses

Yes he should listen to the advice of these housemates who have done nothing but treated him like a scapegoat for weeks.

He's treated them like **** on his shoe in the way he talks to them and about them

[Drew.]

He has his own views and opinions on things and 90% of the time he's right. Most of the people in there are on a different planet to him, why should he listen?

[Klingonz]

Originally Posted by Drew.

He has his own views and opinions on things and 90% of the time he's right. Most of the people in there are on a different planet to him, why should he listen?

Yes indeed!

[Patricia4]

Originally Posted by Drew.

He has his own views and opinions on things and 90% of the time he's right. Most of the people in there are on a different planet to him, why should he listen?

I agree and I would talk over people if I was in there with some of them idiots.

[camertone]

Originally Posted by Drew.

He has his own views and opinions on things and 90% of the time he's right. Most of the people in there are on a different planet to him, why should he listen?

yep, andy is allergic to stupid.

[jennyjuniper]

He does listen. It's the likes of Lateisha, Hughie and Sam who screech over everyone else.And if he appears superior to most of the eejits in there, it's because he is.

[mr rochester]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

He does listen. It's the likes of Lateisha, Hughie and Sam who screech over everyone else.And if he appears superior to most of the eejits in there, it's because he is.

This...

[Ammi]

...some great posts Sassy.....and really similar to where my thoughts are with Andy as well..I don't dislike him, I find him very interesting but I guess, what some are seeing as 'strengths'..?...I'm seeing as his very weaknesses and his flaws, as it were... Ultimately the aim should be to resolve something, otherwise what's the point? ...these words Sassy really say it beautifully...it's so brought into play about his apparent intelligence etc and his 'composure'...great traits to have, eh...?....but only if they bring positives both for him and for those around him../in his environment and on the whole, they're not...they are contributing to negative behaviour in others..because they're making others feel inferior and that could never be a good thing or ever bring a calming influence to the house..so for me, his communication is extremely poor...also because maybe he isn't that 'pompous/arrogant' person at all...he's just someone who is acting and re-acting in a way that has become something that his past and his environment and his life have 'advantaged' him in ...which is natural..but then he's coming across as being judgemental of others for the exact same thing....Hughie's a traveller, I believe..?...so I doubt that his environment has been about all sitting around the table and 'calmly resolving', either with family or peers etc....he's a product of his environment is he not..?...the same with Latisha and, ya know...people around her/in her life...the swearing etc and the shouting sometimes and it's just her, what she knows..?...why should they be judged for those things because they haven't had the advantages or influences that others may have had..?...and they have great and admirable qualities too...Lateysha has been a very caring/maternal and supportive presence in the house...Hughie may blow up and blow off in his anger but he does calm quite quickly and often apologises...that's a 'control' that he's learned in the same way as Andy has learned certain controls in his behaviour....we could see with Marco, how his 'spoilt' came into play in the house because of his privileges in life when he behaved grimly and said stuff like...'I have shoes worth more than you'...(or something similar..)...because (I believe..)...'a product of his life and his privileges..'..?...it's what we all are isn't it..and no different for Lateysha, Hughie or anyone else in the house with their typical behaviour patterns...so if Andy really was using his apparent intelligence, then he wouldn't be making them..and I mean any of them feel in some way inferior or less-educated..?...he would be making them feel their worth which for any human being is substantial....



..anyways, I loved him last night because he showed his vulnerabilities and an Andy that we haven't seen because he's 'controlled' that Andy...which I think has been a weakness, not a strength...Jet my man..just think about it and all of the things that you admire about him..?..if you were in the house also, you would probably hang out all day with Andy because of those things, would you not..?../find him a good person to be around..?...and I can understand that...but ONLY, ONLY if he was making you feel 'on a level' as it were...if he made you feel about this small, about this inadequate, about this dumb and etc etc..(points to something very small..)...you really wouldn't be seeing it quite the same because no one likes that feeling, baby...like Sassy, I do quite like him and find him intriguing....but for me, only because I do see his weaknesses and how poorly he's communicating himself because it's a fact that he's making some feel a bit 'inferior' for being who they are and who they can't help being....he's coming across as judging them for their breaks in life and things that they haven't had any control over....

[Ammi]

..that was a short post as well because I have work...

[Ammi]

..you know as well Jet that I'm going to get a bit defensive because my work is more with the 'Hughie's' whose abilities of 'control' and 'expression' are not what the 'Andy's' have had through no fault of their own... but who I can see have really achieved and are achieving something amazing in how they compose themselves and what they have and do seem to be learning...

[Vanessa]

Love Andy

[jet]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...anyways, I loved him last night because he showed his vulnerabilities and an Andy that we haven't seen because he's 'controlled' that Andy...which I think has been a weakness, not a strength...Jet my man..just think about it and all of the things that you admire about him..?..if you were in the house also, you would probably hang out all day with Andy because of those things, would you not..?../find him a good person to be around..?...and I can understand that...but ONLY, ONLY if he was making you feel 'on a level' as it were...if he made you feel about this small, about this inadequate, about this dumb and etc etc..(points to something very small..)...you really wouldn't be seeing it quite the same because no one likes that feeling, baby...like Sassy, I do quite like him and find him intriguing....but for me, only because I do see his weaknesses and how poorly he's communicating himself because it's a fact that he's making some feel a bit 'inferior' for being who they are and who they can't help being....he's coming across as judging them for their breaks in life and things that they haven't had any control over....

I too loved seeing the vulnerable side of Andy, and it isn't the first time. Remember how he broke down after hearing how hurtful some of the nominations were? I think we would have seen that side more (and a funny side too because I think we would see a great sense of humour if he 'let go' in there) if he hadn't been targeted from the start as being 'superior'. As you know, academic intelligence doesn't always equate to emotional intelligence and I think some others in the house might well be more emotionally intelligent than he is. So is that his fault any more than it is theirs that he is better educated etc?
Yes, I would most definitely hang out with him, probably more than any of them. I don't think he deliberately tries to make others look small and I think that aspect of him is blown way, way out of proportion. You see one thing then you look for it in everything that person does and suddenly that person becomes the 'thing'.
And we are all judgemental, to a certain degree. Just look around at our posts, just because we can do it in the safety of a forum and not directly so nobody can shun us for being judgemental...and Andy is being judged for being judgemental.
I see someone with a good heart whose way of dealing with things that bother him is the right way in his own mind (and I quite like the oddity and individualism of it!) but he is learning too - he listened to Jayne very quietly and told her he would take her advice on board - I don't think he was ever being malicious and most can see that because he is rather well liked by many, isn't he?

[jet]

Originally Posted by sassyfox

We're supposed to judge/assess/analyse the HM. That's the whole point of the show - to watch AND analyse/critique their behaviour.

Andy's "role" involves living/surviving with 16+ other people. His "judgement" of others that he's currently living with will cause friction. Plus, solidifies people's point that Andy sees himself in a senior position to the other HM.

But we judge and analyse all the time, not just here, or maybe you don't?
Every time the HM's talk about people behind their backs they are judging them in some way and causing friction as well in their own unique ways. Andy is just more honest and forthright about it, and really, you'd think he was doing it every hour of the day when there were only 2 occasions when he did what he seen as right whether anyone agrees it was judgemental or not...it's all overblown.
.... And as a reporter he's used to observing and communicating his findings so it could be he's doing what comes naturally and is analysing/assessing/judging because he's bored out of his mind among all the fake tan and fake tantrums and doesn't have a laptop or whatever like we have to pontificate on in a forum.

[erinp5]

I'm a Hughie fan and I thought Hughie was goading Andy , say it once but to follow the guy around the house saying the same thing is looking to start trouble.

[delta]

Originally Posted by erinp5

I'm a Hughie fan and I thought Hughie was goading Andy , say it once but to follow the guy around the house saying the same thing is looking to start trouble.

He needs goading he's a pr!ck of the highest order.


He's trying to justify his sneakiness, his snideyness- he would convince everyone if he could that his actions are justified, he never switches off and doesn't know how to enjoy himself, he's constantly watching, observing and judging then going back to whom ever and reporting back.

He pontificates from his Ivory Tower, a thoroughly distasteful human being, in denial and conniving.

[OMGLattie]

How does he not listen? He isnt the one yelling over people and ganging up on people to get his point across.

[Vanessa]

I think Andy is great and handled Hughie goading him brilliantly. Someone else could have decked him, but Andy is far too calm and collected for that.

[OMGLattie]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I think Andy is great and handled Hughie goading him brilliantly. Someone else could have decked him, but Andy is far too calm and collected for that.

They want Andy to blow up. The little clique must be so furious that he hasnt stooped to their level yet and gotten into anyones face.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by OMGLattie

They want Andy to blow up. The little clique must be so furious that he hasnt stooped to their level yet and gotten into anyones face.

He won't blow up. When he's really upset he just goes to the diary room

[OMGLattie]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

He won't blow up. When he's really upset he just goes to the diary room

Exactly and it upsets that little group who have to get into peoples faces and yell/screech without letting the other talk. Andy is more mature than they are and can have decisions without resorting to such childish behaviors.