[Ammi]

...some great posts Sassy.....and really similar to where my thoughts are with Andy as well..I don't dislike him, I find him very interesting but I guess, what some are seeing as 'strengths'..?...I'm seeing as his very weaknesses and his flaws, as it were... Ultimately the aim should be to resolve something, otherwise what's the point? ...these words Sassy really say it beautifully...it's so brought into play about his apparent intelligence etc and his 'composure'...great traits to have, eh...?....but only if they bring positives both for him and for those around him../in his environment and on the whole, they're not...they are contributing to negative behaviour in others..because they're making others feel inferior and that could never be a good thing or ever bring a calming influence to the house..so for me, his communication is extremely poor...also because maybe he isn't that 'pompous/arrogant' person at all...he's just someone who is acting and re-acting in a way that has become something that his past and his environment and his life have 'advantaged' him in ...which is natural..but then he's coming across as being judgemental of others for the exact same thing....Hughie's a traveller, I believe..?...so I doubt that his environment has been about all sitting around the table and 'calmly resolving', either with family or peers etc....he's a product of his environment is he not..?...the same with Latisha and, ya know...people around her/in her life...the swearing etc and the shouting sometimes and it's just her, what she knows..?...why should they be judged for those things because they haven't had the advantages or influences that others may have had..?...and they have great and admirable qualities too...Lateysha has been a very caring/maternal and supportive presence in the house...Hughie may blow up and blow off in his anger but he does calm quite quickly and often apologises...that's a 'control' that he's learned in the same way as Andy has learned certain controls in his behaviour....we could see with Marco, how his 'spoilt' came into play in the house because of his privileges in life when he behaved grimly and said stuff like...'I have shoes worth more than you'...(or something similar..)...because (I believe..)...'a product of his life and his privileges..'..?...it's what we all are isn't it..and no different for Lateysha, Hughie or anyone else in the house with their typical behaviour patterns...so if Andy really was using his apparent intelligence, then he wouldn't be making them..and I mean any of them feel in some way inferior or less-educated..?...he would be making them feel their worth which for any human being is substantial....



..anyways, I loved him last night because he showed his vulnerabilities and an Andy that we haven't seen because he's 'controlled' that Andy...which I think has been a weakness, not a strength...Jet my man..just think about it and all of the things that you admire about him..?..if you were in the house also, you would probably hang out all day with Andy because of those things, would you not..?../find him a good person to be around..?...and I can understand that...but ONLY, ONLY if he was making you feel 'on a level' as it were...if he made you feel about this small, about this inadequate, about this dumb and etc etc..(points to something very small..)...you really wouldn't be seeing it quite the same because no one likes that feeling, baby...like Sassy, I do quite like him and find him intriguing....but for me, only because I do see his weaknesses and how poorly he's communicating himself because it's a fact that he's making some feel a bit 'inferior' for being who they are and who they can't help being....he's coming across as judging them for their breaks in life and things that they haven't had any control over....

[Ammi]

..that was a short post as well because I have work...

[Ammi]

..you know as well Jet that I'm going to get a bit defensive because my work is more with the 'Hughie's' whose abilities of 'control' and 'expression' are not what the 'Andy's' have had through no fault of their own... but who I can see have really achieved and are achieving something amazing in how they compose themselves and what they have and do seem to be learning...

[Vanessa]

Love Andy

[jet]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...anyways, I loved him last night because he showed his vulnerabilities and an Andy that we haven't seen because he's 'controlled' that Andy...which I think has been a weakness, not a strength...Jet my man..just think about it and all of the things that you admire about him..?..if you were in the house also, you would probably hang out all day with Andy because of those things, would you not..?../find him a good person to be around..?...and I can understand that...but ONLY, ONLY if he was making you feel 'on a level' as it were...if he made you feel about this small, about this inadequate, about this dumb and etc etc..(points to something very small..)...you really wouldn't be seeing it quite the same because no one likes that feeling, baby...like Sassy, I do quite like him and find him intriguing....but for me, only because I do see his weaknesses and how poorly he's communicating himself because it's a fact that he's making some feel a bit 'inferior' for being who they are and who they can't help being....he's coming across as judging them for their breaks in life and things that they haven't had any control over....

I too loved seeing the vulnerable side of Andy, and it isn't the first time. Remember how he broke down after hearing how hurtful some of the nominations were? I think we would have seen that side more (and a funny side too because I think we would see a great sense of humour if he 'let go' in there) if he hadn't been targeted from the start as being 'superior'. As you know, academic intelligence doesn't always equate to emotional intelligence and I think some others in the house might well be more emotionally intelligent than he is. So is that his fault any more than it is theirs that he is better educated etc?
Yes, I would most definitely hang out with him, probably more than any of them. I don't think he deliberately tries to make others look small and I think that aspect of him is blown way, way out of proportion. You see one thing then you look for it in everything that person does and suddenly that person becomes the 'thing'.
And we are all judgemental, to a certain degree. Just look around at our posts, just because we can do it in the safety of a forum and not directly so nobody can shun us for being judgemental...and Andy is being judged for being judgemental.
I see someone with a good heart whose way of dealing with things that bother him is the right way in his own mind (and I quite like the oddity and individualism of it!) but he is learning too - he listened to Jayne very quietly and told her he would take her advice on board - I don't think he was ever being malicious and most can see that because he is rather well liked by many, isn't he?

[jet]

Originally Posted by sassyfox

We're supposed to judge/assess/analyse the HM. That's the whole point of the show - to watch AND analyse/critique their behaviour.

Andy's "role" involves living/surviving with 16+ other people. His "judgement" of others that he's currently living with will cause friction. Plus, solidifies people's point that Andy sees himself in a senior position to the other HM.

But we judge and analyse all the time, not just here, or maybe you don't?
Every time the HM's talk about people behind their backs they are judging them in some way and causing friction as well in their own unique ways. Andy is just more honest and forthright about it, and really, you'd think he was doing it every hour of the day when there were only 2 occasions when he did what he seen as right whether anyone agrees it was judgemental or not...it's all overblown.
.... And as a reporter he's used to observing and communicating his findings so it could be he's doing what comes naturally and is analysing/assessing/judging because he's bored out of his mind among all the fake tan and fake tantrums and doesn't have a laptop or whatever like we have to pontificate on in a forum.

[jet]

Originally Posted by sassyfox

Sometimes Andy lacks emotional intelligence to read a room and recognise that no one wants his opinion right now. His timing and delivery is poor, which is why he can't resolve the conflicts he has with people.



That's the thing: he's not a reporter in there. He's a housemate. His inability (at times) to take off his analytical hat is what makes people feel uncomfortable.

It's one thing to be judged by the public - that's the entire point of this show. It's another to be judged by your fellow housemate, who should view himself in the same boat as you.

Andy can position himself as a viewer/observer, when really he's a pawn in the game (as they all are).

Yes, I said upthread that academic intelligence and emotional intelligence don't always go hand in hand and he does lack that at times. So we agree on that.
But take it from me as one who has reporter friends - they NEVER entirely take off their reporter hats. It's my opinion a reporter is born, not made. But it doesn't mean my friends are one - dimensional people looking to catch me out on mistakes I make and point out my failings any more than Andy is. Maybe if they are very bored they might get tetchy and lapse a little..

[jet]

And you know really we know squat about any of them. BB likes to show footage that feeds into a stereotype so very often we see dimensions of a person over - played and other parts of them that might show something else entirely may be fleeting or never see the light of day. Of course we can only comment on what we see. I often wonder if we met the HM's in real life and got to know them would we like and dislike the same people....