[Northern Monkey]

Or should we hear them and challenge them if we disagree?
So no more controversial comedy after 9pm incase somebody gets offended?
I thought the whole idea behind BB was that if we don't like a housemate for whatever reason be it their views or personality or whatever then we get to vote them out?
People should not be forcefully ejected imo because of their opinions.The world would be very boring if we all like robots thought exactly the same way.
BB ejecting people and hiding their conversations is straight up censorship.Should this apply to all genres of television and media?
If not then don't censor BB in this way.
They are treating the viewers like special snowflakes who need to be in safe spaces and can't handle an opposing opinion.

[Ashley.]

It wasn't an opinion, it was a thoughtless joke... I don't think there was any truth in it at all.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

It wasn't an opinion, it was a thoughtless joke... I don't think there was any truth in it at all.

So controversial comedy should'nt be allowed on TV?

[bots]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

So controversial comedy should'nt be allowed on TV?

his comments around aids were not comedy and were not a joke. People are treating things in isolation where the producers made it quite clear that it was a cumulative issue, where he had been warned numerous times and chose to ignore the warnings.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

his comments around aids were not comedy and were not a joke. People are treating things in isolation where the producers made it quite clear that it was a cumulative issue, where he had been warned numerous times and chose to ignore the warnings.

His comments on Aids were a theory.Very possibly a wrong theory but still a theory and he even included that it was a scientist who told him this.Should theories be banned if they are controversial?

[bots]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

His comments on Aids were a theory.Very possibly a wrong theory but still a theory and he even included that it was a scientist who told him this.Should theories be banned if they are controversial?

if you consistently push bigoted views without there being appropriate balance, it cannot be allowed to persist on a public platform like TV. Surely that's obvious

[shella]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

his comments around aids were not comedy and were not a joke. People are treating things in isolation where the producers made it quite clear that it was a cumulative issue, where he had been warned numerous times and chose to ignore the warnings.

have you ever been in the big brother house i would not last 2 days he hasn't said anything that most people haven't herd before he is old school it was his opinion i dont have to agree or disagree its very easy to say out here but in that environment you will always be saying something that offend someone else and you wont even know because it was not said to offend........i think he got a bum deal i have herd a lot of worst things on celebrity big brother and they never got a warning jmo

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

It wasn't an opinion, it was a thoughtless joke... I don't think there was any truth in it at all.

Yes he attacked Jews


I am Glad he was Ejected
I hate him

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes he attacked Jews


I am Glad he was Ejected
I hate him

How/when did he attack jews?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Robodog

How/when did he attack jews?

Reported all around the World
C. B. used "Death Camp Evil Joke" at a Jewish Celeb


Fecking FACT

[Robodog]

Originally Posted by arista

Reported all around the World
C. B. used "Death Camp Evil Joke" at a Jewish Celeb


Fecking FACT

There have been death camps all over the world, where people of all faiths, races, religions, and beliefs have been killed and abused - including during world war 2

What did CB say about Jews specifically?

[AProducer'sWetDream]

At the end of the day it's not a public forum, it's an entertainment show. They have editorial control and have every right to decide what type of language/discussion they want or don't want in the show.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream

At the end of the day it's not a public forum, it's an entertainment show. They have editorial control and have every right to decide what type of language/discussion they want or don't want in the show.

Nail on the head - It's not about what should or shouldn't be "allowed" on TV with something like Big Brother. It's a show owned by a private company and they can decide to do whatever they want with it. If they think it's in the financial interests of the show to remove someone for ANY reason then that is entirely their business (literally).

Now, if a news channel was heavily restricting / cutting out people's comments I'd be far more concerned.

I guess think of it this way: If you're out in a public space, like a park for example, and you hear someone saying something that you don't like. That's tough ****. You can challenge them on it / try to debate with them but you can't order them to leave the park. That's the right to free speech. If a guest in YOUR house starts saying something you don't like or don't want to hear, you can kick him out on his arse. You can use reasonable physical force to remove that person, even, or call the authorities. That person can't whine about his right to free speech in YOUR HOME - he has NO such right.

The BB house belongs to the production company. It is their property. It is their show. Full stop, end of discussion, it is not a free speech issue.

[shella]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Nail on the head - It's not about what should or shouldn't be "allowed" on TV with something like Big Brother. It's a show owned by a private company and they can decide to do whatever they want with it. If they think it's in the financial interests of the show to remove someone for ANY reason then that is entirely their business (literally).

Now, if a news channel was heavily restricting / cutting out people's comments I'd be far more concerned.

I guess think of it this way: If you're out in a public space, like a park for example, and you hear someone saying something that you don't like. That's tough ****. You can challenge them on it / try to debate with them but you can't order them to leave the park. That's the right to free speech. If a guest in YOUR house starts saying something you don't like or don't want to hear, you can kick him out on his arse. You can use reasonable physical force to remove that person, even, or call the authorities. That person can't whine about his right to free speech in YOUR HOME - he has NO such right.

The BB house belongs to the production company. It is their property. It is their show. Full stop, end of discussion, it is not a free speech issue.

i understand what you are saying but not everyone thinks the way you do i have had people in my home home saying out loud things that i did not like but i have never kicked them out i like to know why a person thinks that way and discuss the issue only once did someone not like the fact that i called them out on a comment he got soooooo angry he left on his own accord came back 2 days later and apologized i still confronted him........we are the best of friends now and its because he knows he be honest to the bone with me and i wont lose the plot and thats the type of people that are my true friend it also works both ways what you have to understand is we all have said thing not meaning to offend but we do its how you deal with it that makes the difference.....
i watch Big Brother as a social experiment so my views my be different in the way i see things but Mr Biggins did nothing wrong yes it is a show and things will be said but to remove him from the house was wrong he didnt even get a chance to speck for himself people will always remember this about him and i think that is unfair considering i think that Aurbury should have been thrown out of the house for spitting in Bears food and drink without him knowing that to me was the worst thing i have ever seen on all the Big Brother shows EVER

[shella]

Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream

At the end of the day it's not a public forum, it's an entertainment show. They have editorial control and have every right to decide what type of language/discussion they want or don't want in the show.

i was about to say the same thing i dont come on here often but i do believe Mr
Biggins was treated fairly

[Jordan.]

Wow yeah what a boring world if everyone thought the same. We need all that entertaining murder and discrimination.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Wow yeah what a boring world if everyone thought the same. We need all that entertaining murder and discrimination.

Well there are many TV shows which feature murder.Why are they not banned but biggins joke or opinion is?You can say that murder on telly is fictional but not all of it is.Some is based on real events.

[alex_front2]

Banning controversial opinions won't be enough. When the PC opinion is expressed and someone merely shakes their head to convey disagreement in future that will be tantamount to a hate crime.

[jaxie]

I think the OP has a point to call this into question. If we are going to be a society with freedom of speech don't we have to hear controversial opinions to be able to oppose them? If we won't hear them, are we not guilty of censorship?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I think the OP has a point to call this into question. If we are going to be a society with freedom of speech don't we have to hear controversial opinions to be able to oppose them? If we won't hear them, are we not guilty of censorship?

Exactly.We can get rid of him.The whole point of the show.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I think the OP has a point to call this into question. If we are going to be a society with freedom of speech don't we have to hear controversial opinions to be able to oppose them? If we won't hear them, are we not guilty of censorship?

I do agree with that (above and beyond my arguments above) but then there's a lot of confusion there, too. A lot of people mistakenly believe that having their controversial opinions opposed is the same as having them stifled or censored and get all huffy about it. They incorrectly believe that "their right to free speech" involves the right to state their opinions WITHOUT opposition. Just take a look in Serious Debates .

[letmein]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I think the OP has a point to call this into question. If we are going to be a society with freedom of speech don't we have to hear controversial opinions to be able to oppose them? If we won't hear them, are we not guilty of censorship?

You don't have freedom of speech. The UK is not the US.

[shella]

ummmm.....the USA has not got freedom of speech any more .........hello......lol

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I think the OP has a point to call this into question. If we are going to be a society with freedom of speech don't we have to hear controversial opinions to be able to oppose them? If we won't hear them, are we not guilty of censorship?

This in a nutshell.

[camertone]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Or should we hear them and challenge them if we disagree?
So no more controversial comedy after 9pm incase somebody gets offended?
I thought the whole idea behind BB was that if we don't like a housemate for whatever reason be it their views or personality or whatever then we get to vote them out?
People should not be forcefully ejected imo because of their opinions.The world would be very boring if we all like robots thought exactly the same way.
BB ejecting people and hiding their conversations is straight up censorship.Should this apply to all genres of television and media?
If not then don't censor BB in this way.
They are treating the viewers like special snowflakes who need to be in safe spaces and can't handle an opposing opinion.

banning opinions no, banning racism yes.