[Northern Monkey]

'Jeremy Corbyn’s tumultuous leadership has reached a new low with the publication of popularity figures from YouGov that show he is polling unfavourably with every demographic.

The Labour leader’s net approval rating now stands at -40, down from -35 in November of last year.
Even more worrying for Corbyn is that amongst young/old, North/South, Leave/Remain, male/female, middle/working class and even those who voted Labour in 2015, Corbyn has a net negative approval rating.'
He has a worse approval rating than Paul Nuttall and Tim Farron.In comparison with Theresa May who is at +6.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/m.huffp...?client=safari

[Crimson Dynamo]

and with the worst mp in British History Diane Abbot they are like Laurel and Hardy

#shambles

[Withano]

I like Corbyn as a person which is more than I can say for most politicians.
I dont really let myself have any political affiliation, cos its kinda irrelevant with constituency voting, you kinda have to either waste your vote, or the lesser of the two evils that you constituency is likely to vote for. I dont know where I'll be living at the next election, so not point me fighting for any team.
Last election I was fine with a green, libdem, labour, tory, or snp win.. if Tory pull off Brexit, I'll feel the same way next time.
Tory would probably seem like the most logical choice if they do pull of Brexit tbf, considering how little of them wanted to see it through. I can see why theyre appealing to more people.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Withano

I like Corbyn as a person which is more than I can say for most politicians.
I dont really let myself have any political affiliation, cos its kinda irrelevant with constituency voting, you kinda have to either waste your vote, or the lesser of the two evils that you constituency is likely to vote for. I dont know where I'll be living at the next election, so not point me fighting for any team.
Last election I was fine with a green, libdem, labour, tory, or snp win.. if Tory pull off Brexit, I'll feel the same way next time.
Tory would probably seem like the most logical choice if they do pull of Brexit tbf, considering how little of them wanted to see it through. I can see why theyre appealing to more people.

If it's the current situation or worse in 2020 I won't be voting.I don't have anyone to align with.There's no middle ground party for us non left/right voters.

[Kizzy]

I defy anyone to list his personal principles his idological, moral and social ethics and disagree with any one of them OTHER THAN the nuclear disarmament issue.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I defy anyone to list his personal principles his idological, moral and social ethics and disagree with any one of them OTHER THAN the nuclear disarmament issue.

full of fine principles and no clue how to run a government or that its not 1974

[Withano]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

full of fine principles and no clue how to run a government or that its not 1974

Aren't you a Trump fan?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Withano

Aren't you a Trump fan?

i vote in the UK

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I defy anyone to list his personal principles his idological, moral and social ethics and disagree with any one of them OTHER THAN the nuclear disarmament issue.

In 2 words - open borders!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

In a word - open borders!

I would like a link to any accusation, in this era of fake news fact checking is imperative.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I would like a link to any accusation, in this era of fake news fact checking is imperative.

No need to evidence opinion and my opinion is that his insistence on open borders is putting his personal ideologies before the safety of the British people.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

No need to evidence opinion and my opinion is that his insistence on open borders is putting his personal ideologies before the safety of the British people.

(You cant have opinions on thing that people do or dont say, they either have or havent said it)

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

No need to evidence opinion and my opinion is that his insistence on open borders is putting his personal ideologies before the safety of the British people.

Thanks but I didn't ask for your interpretation of his ideology, I asked what he categorically stood for that you are against.
You gave me nothing.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I defy anyone to list his personal principles his idological, moral and social ethics and disagree with any one of them OTHER THAN the nuclear disarmament issue.

I do actually agree with many of his ideas and principles.However that is not enough for many people when there are some fundamental issues that many Labour voters disagree with him on.Just as he appeals to the hard left who love him he leaves the rest of Labour supporters disaffected.Being so fundamental on his beliefs is not going to get him massive support from the whole Labour demographic.Only the hard leftists.
On Brexit he did'nt seem interested.He did'nt want to campaign for remain because it goes against his old seventies Labour principles and he wouldn't campaign for leave because he thought it would make the division in the party much worse for him.
Many don't like his policies and many don't like his execution with others thinking he's just incompetent.
Releasing a Tweet recently saying "Real fight starts now" upset many Labour supporters who thought the "real fight" should've been last year when he made himself look disinterested.
Even 18-24 year olds don't have any confidence in him.
His party are all resigning.
If his approval doesn't improve in the next year ahead i reckon he's a gonner.Imo.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I do actually agree with many of his ideas and principles.However that is not enough for many people when there are some fundamental issues that many Labour voters disagree with him on.Just as he appeals to the hard left who love him he leaves the rest of Labour supporters disaffected.Being so fundamental on his beliefs is not going to get him massive support from the whole Labour demographic.Only the hard leftists.
On Brexit he did'nt seem interested.He did'nt want to campaign for remain because it goes against his old seventies Labour principles and he wouldn't campaign for leave because he thought it would make the division in the party much worse for him.
Many don't like his policies and many don't like his execution with others thinking he's just incompetent.
Releasing a Tweet recently saying "Real fight starts now" upset many Labour supporters who thought the "real fight" should've been last year when he made himself look disinterested.
Even 18-24 year olds don't have any confidence in him.
His party are all resigning.
If his approval doesn't improve in the next year ahead i reckon he's a gonner.Imo.

What fundamental issues beliefs and policies? I'm not getting any specifics here.

He was clear he was 7/10 for brexit, he just didn't want hard tory brexit as his concerns were civil rights, that is a checkable fact as he was interviewed stating that as a concern.
As it was a tory brexit he campaigned vigorously to remain.

Asked about criticism that the Labour Remain campaign has not been getting through to its core voters, he said: “I do think we’ve been successful in getting the Labour message out that it is about worker’s rights, it is about our agenda, things we would do if we had the presidency of the European Union next year, which would be about ending zero hours contracts, raising the minimum wage and protecting workers’ rights, and not a race to the bottom.'

The real fight does start now, the poeple have had their say, the MPs have had theirs... the fight for a fair brexit is on. It's quite a literal statement.

http://www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/politi...ngey_1_4590306

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The real fight does start now, the poeple have had their say, the MPs have had theirs... the fight for a fair brexit is on. It's quite a literal statement.

My problem is, where is the fight? He imposed a three line whip for his MPs to vote to trigger Article 50, and didn't even try to force an ammendment through? He's so scared that Labour will lose seats to UKIP if they're seen to oppose Brexit so they're handing Theresa May a blank cheque to shape this country's foreign and domestic policy for, potentially decades.

I should be a voter that's easy for him to win over: I agree with quite a few of his policies (and the Tories are a complete shambles). But his total lacklustre support for remain and the fact that the Labour Party now seem to be admitting defeat in so many areas leaves me without a politcal party to call 'home'. At this point, I don't know who I'll be voting for at the next general election. But if the leadership of the Labour Party remains as it is, my vote certainly won't be going to them.

[arista]

NM
that changes nothing
he could still become PM
due to Events on the EU.


2020 May
is meant to be the next General Election
not another referendum

[Kizzy]

I see it as him being very canny, he's stuck between a rock and a hard place atm... he needs to show he is behind the public decision or be lambasted by the press but by the same token some Labour strongholds were remain therefore he has to be seen to be looking out for them too..It's a balancing act that any Labour leader would face.

[Beso]

Imagine being the only person not to prosper when its an anti establishment voting era........CRINGE.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I see it as him being very canny, he's stuck between a rock and a hard place atm... he needs to show he is behind the public decision or be lambasted by the press but by the same token some Labour strongholds were remain therefore he has to be seen to be looking out for them too..It's a balancing act that any Labour leader would face.

But at the minute they are alienating both sides: some remainers are annoyed that they're not being strong enough in their opposition to the Tories, some leavers will say they're not commited enough to Brexit. I understand it's difficult, but they need to find some sort of position and stick to it- then fight for it.

Currently, they just appear weak.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream

But at the minute they are alienating both sides: some remainers are annoyed that they're not being strong enough in their opposition to the Tories, some leavers will say they're not commited enough to Brexit. I understand it's difficult, but they need to find some sort of position and stick to it- then fight for it.

Currently, they just appear weak.

I disagree, the important constitutional decisions have now been made , due process has been followed( no thanks to the PM) and now begins the arduous task of trying to maintain the rights and protections we already have, I trust Corbyn to fight for those more than anyone.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I disagree, the important constitutional decisions have now been made , due process has been followed( no thanks to the PM) and now begins the arduous task of trying to maintain the rights and protections we already have, I trust Corbyn to fight for those more than anyone.

The problem is, the party don't seem to agree on exactly what they want to fight for. For most positions the leadership have expressed, I could probably pull up evidence of MPs who have expressed a totally different position.

When the party doesn't know what hymn sheet they're singing from, how can I, as a voter, put my faith in them to form a government? And how can I trust Corbyn to fight on behalf of me when he tried to force his MPs to vote through a bill that contains no protections, no ammendments and no assurances?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream

The problem is, the party don't seem to agree on exactly what they want to fight for. For most positions the leadership have expressed, I could probably pull up evidence of MPs who have expressed a totally different position.

When the party doesn't know what hymn sheet they're singing from, how can I, as a voter, put my faith in them to form a government? And how can I trust Corbyn to fight on behalf of me when he tried to force his MPs to vote through a bill that contains no protections, no ammendments and no assurances?

Well then you have to ask yourself whose ideology appeals to me more, old or new Labour, for me it's old.
The coup against him is ongoing, I wouldn't like to think that his detractors within the party would use something so important as a whipped vote to score points...but part of me feels that's what happened.

[Kizzy]

Anti extablishment era?....Are you living in the UK currently :/

The tories can do no wrong atm, if they told the disabled they would have to drag themselves to the DSS naked for their benefits some would say 'well why do they need clothes anyway?'

Ok that was a bit far..But not much!

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Anti extablishment era?....Are you living in the UK currently :/

The tories can do no wrong atm, if they told the disabled they would have to drag themselves to the DSS naked for their benefits some would say 'well why do they need clothes anyway?'

Ok that was a bit far..But not much!

All the big votes the public have had a say in in the past 2-3 years have been anti establishment..thats why i voted out of eu or no to scottish independence..i would certainly have voted trump...sick of lies and self indulgent twats on all sides...the world needs shook up and hopefully the worlds population sits up and takes notice of how these skimming bastards are all in it for what is good for them during their however many years they have at running things....pissed off with it all.

****ing 60million spent trying to either prosecute or defend soldiers for war crimes for it all to be just disbanded at the flick of a switch..60 million..not the first time either..

You can be taken for a mug and listen and believe these crooked bastards but i wont..no.

I recieve money in cash for doing a good days graft..if you or anyone else wants to pay into a system that does **** all for you then fine you pay it and i will abuse it when i need it.