[Brillopad]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/800...punish-British

Former Finnish PM accused the EU of bullying the UK for standing up to the bloc.

The more I read about the EU the less I like and become more convinced than ever that leaving the EU is the best thing for Britain. The EU are on one big power trip and not so far removed from those it claims to want to protect us from in my opinion.

[UserSince2005]

Agreed, I'm for bombing Brussels tbh, this is getting ridiculous

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

Agreed, I'm for bombing Brussels tbh, this is getting ridiculous

They are impressing no one except for the uninformed.

[Alf]

A vid from The Almighty God of YouTube, Sargon

It's a fairly long one, about three quarters of a hour, so if you get any time, then check it out, if you want, or if you don't want, then don't.

Youtube video

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Alf

A vid from The Almighty God of YouTube, Sargon

It's a fairly long one, about three quarters of a hour, so if you get any time, then check it out, if you want, or if you don't want, then don't.

Youtube video

22 mins in so far.Very good.Will watch the rest later when i get home.

[Kizzy]

He doesn't say that at all, I just listened to what he had to say and he suggests there are faults on both sides, the process will be nasty and brutish and that is undeniably a lose lose situation.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

He doesn't say that at all, I just listened to what he had to say and he suggests there are faults on both sides, the process will be nasty and brutish and that is undeniably a lose lose situation.

The EU are bullying Britain, that is undeniable. I thought such bullying went against the principles of left- thinkers - or is that only when it suits.

Bullying are the tactics of the untrustworthy and of those with an agenda. We are the second largest contributor to the EU and they need us. All those on here who have said they don't need us don't know what they are talking about.

They also fear others leaving as others are also dissatisfied with the EU and so the EU are trying to make an example of Us whilst giving out a strong message to other countries to do so at their peril.

As the article above says the only deal that needs to be done is to set a date and agree a leaving fee - the rest is playground bully boy crap and you are all buying into it hook, line and sinker out of fear.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

The EU are bullying Britain, that is undeniable. I thought such bullying went against the principles of left- thinkers - or is that only when it suits.

Bullying are the tactics of the untrustworthy and of those with an agenda. We are the second largest contributor to the EU and they need us. All those on here who have said they don't need us don't know what they are talking about.

They also fear others leaving as others are also dissatisfied with the EU and so the EU are trying to make an example of Us whilst giving out a strong message to other countries to do so at their peril.

As the article above says the only deal that needs to be done is to set a date and agree a leaving fee - the rest is playground bully boy crap and you are all buying into it hook, line and sinker out of fear.

It is deniable, the fact that this guys words were misquoted makes it obvious that the message is that the EU are making it difficult, but are they?

Junker has said the EU will negotiate in a friendly and fair way but the negotiations will be very very difficult, what's wrong with that?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It is deniable, the fact that this guys words were misquoted makes it obvious that the message is that the EU are making it difficult, but are they?

Junker has said the EU will negotiate in a friendly and fair way but the negotiations will be very very difficult, what's wrong with that?

What's wrong with it is that he is deliberately making it difficult to punish Britain which even other senior members of the EU agree. All that actually needs to be negotiated is a leaving date and an exit fee - and even the fee is questionable as we have assets in Europe to the tune of 130 billion, far more even than the extortionate figure Juncker is demanding. He is a crook in my opinion.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

What's wrong with it is that he is deliberately making it difficult to punish Britain which even other senior members of the EU agree. All that actually needs to be negotiated is a leaving date and an exit fee - and even the fee is questionable as we have assists in Europe to the tune of 130 billion, far more even than the extortionate figure Juncker is demanding. He is a crook in my opinion.

He isn't deliberately making it difficult...it is difficult.
Trying to oversimplify the process by stating all we need is a date and a price is rubbish.
What about trade, movement, security, borders, healthcare, expats, students, workers, fishing.... The list is endless.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It is deniable, the fact that this guys words were misquoted makes it obvious that the message is that the EU are making it difficult, but are they?

Junker has said the EU will negotiate in a friendly and fair way but the negotiations will be very very difficult, what's wrong with that?

So running to the press with tales about private conversations at dinner with the PM is negotiating in a fair and friendly way? I see.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by jaxie

So running to the press with tales about private conversations at dinner with the PM is negotiating in a fair and friendly way? I see.

Sounds like he is doing a Trump - unprofessional and inappropriate- but I don't see many getting their knickers in a twist about that.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

So running to the press with tales about private conversations at dinner with the PM is negotiating in a fair and friendly way? I see.

If he did then why should it be private?

Delicate political negotiations are done in private, dinner chit chat isn't delicate political negotiation.

[Livia]

The EU are trying to be tough on Britain because they're crapping themselves that their country is next. Can't wait to see what happens to Merkel at the elections in the autumn. Right now she thinks she runs the EU and that's not how it works.