[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

He doesn't say that at all, I just listened to what he had to say and he suggests there are faults on both sides, the process will be nasty and brutish and that is undeniably a lose lose situation.

The EU are bullying Britain, that is undeniable. I thought such bullying went against the principles of left- thinkers - or is that only when it suits.

Bullying are the tactics of the untrustworthy and of those with an agenda. We are the second largest contributor to the EU and they need us. All those on here who have said they don't need us don't know what they are talking about.

They also fear others leaving as others are also dissatisfied with the EU and so the EU are trying to make an example of Us whilst giving out a strong message to other countries to do so at their peril.

As the article above says the only deal that needs to be done is to set a date and agree a leaving fee - the rest is playground bully boy crap and you are all buying into it hook, line and sinker out of fear.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

The EU are bullying Britain, that is undeniable. I thought such bullying went against the principles of left- thinkers - or is that only when it suits.

Bullying are the tactics of the untrustworthy and of those with an agenda. We are the second largest contributor to the EU and they need us. All those on here who have said they don't need us don't know what they are talking about.

They also fear others leaving as others are also dissatisfied with the EU and so the EU are trying to make an example of Us whilst giving out a strong message to other countries to do so at their peril.

As the article above says the only deal that needs to be done is to set a date and agree a leaving fee - the rest is playground bully boy crap and you are all buying into it hook, line and sinker out of fear.

It is deniable, the fact that this guys words were misquoted makes it obvious that the message is that the EU are making it difficult, but are they?

Junker has said the EU will negotiate in a friendly and fair way but the negotiations will be very very difficult, what's wrong with that?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It is deniable, the fact that this guys words were misquoted makes it obvious that the message is that the EU are making it difficult, but are they?

Junker has said the EU will negotiate in a friendly and fair way but the negotiations will be very very difficult, what's wrong with that?

What's wrong with it is that he is deliberately making it difficult to punish Britain which even other senior members of the EU agree. All that actually needs to be negotiated is a leaving date and an exit fee - and even the fee is questionable as we have assets in Europe to the tune of 130 billion, far more even than the extortionate figure Juncker is demanding. He is a crook in my opinion.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

What's wrong with it is that he is deliberately making it difficult to punish Britain which even other senior members of the EU agree. All that actually needs to be negotiated is a leaving date and an exit fee - and even the fee is questionable as we have assists in Europe to the tune of 130 billion, far more even than the extortionate figure Juncker is demanding. He is a crook in my opinion.

He isn't deliberately making it difficult...it is difficult.
Trying to oversimplify the process by stating all we need is a date and a price is rubbish.
What about trade, movement, security, borders, healthcare, expats, students, workers, fishing.... The list is endless.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

He isn't deliberately making it difficult...it is difficult.
Trying to oversimplify the process by stating all we need is a date and a price is rubbish.
What about trade, movement, security, borders, healthcare, expats, students, workers, fishing.... The list is endless.

Why is he demanding 86 billion before even starting any negotiations on anything else then when we have assets in the EU of 130 billion - we should in theory be demanding about 40 billion back from the EU.

He is making ridiculous demands before even discussing anything else because he in trying to instill fear into Britain and all other EU countries who may want to do the same - that meets the definition of bullying in the eyes of most.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Why is he demanding 86 billion before even starting any negotiations on anything else then when we have assets in the EU of 130 billion - we should in theory be demanding about 40 billion back from the EU.

He is making ridiculous demands before even discussing anything else because he in trying to instill fear into Britain and all other EU countries who may want to do the same - that meets the definition of bullying in the eyes of most.

Where on earth did you pluck this figure from, and you accuse others of being uninformed? :/

The figure I have seen most widely reported is Ł50 billion, which may well be the cost of all the member states having to revise there trade and movement agreements with the EU. Are you aware how many countries there are in the EU, personally I'd say that was a bargain.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Where on earth did you pluck this figure from, and you accuse others of being uninformed? :/

The figure I have seen most widely reported is Ł50 billion, which may well be the cost of all the member states having to revise there trade and movement agreements with the EU. Are you aware how many countries there are in the EU, personally I'd say that was a bargain.

It's in one of the articles I posted today.

In 'no need to pay trumped up leaving fee after all'.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Where on earth did you pluck this figure from, and you accuse others of being uninformed? :/

The figure I have seen most widely reported is Ł50 billion, which may well be the cost of all the member states having to revise there trade and movement agreements with the EU. Are you aware how many countries there are in the EU, personally I'd say that was a bargain.

They can not legally make Britain pay

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It is deniable, the fact that this guys words were misquoted makes it obvious that the message is that the EU are making it difficult, but are they?

Junker has said the EU will negotiate in a friendly and fair way but the negotiations will be very very difficult, what's wrong with that?

So running to the press with tales about private conversations at dinner with the PM is negotiating in a fair and friendly way? I see.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by jaxie

So running to the press with tales about private conversations at dinner with the PM is negotiating in a fair and friendly way? I see.

Sounds like he is doing a Trump - unprofessional and inappropriate- but I don't see many getting their knickers in a twist about that.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

So running to the press with tales about private conversations at dinner with the PM is negotiating in a fair and friendly way? I see.

If he did then why should it be private?

Delicate political negotiations are done in private, dinner chit chat isn't delicate political negotiation.