[Kizzy]

Conservative members are “a breed apart” from members of the other main political parties, with much stronger tendencies towards socially illiberal and authoritarian attitudes and completely different views on Brexit, a study has found.

The biggest ever polling of party members’ opinions shows that Tories are half as likely to support gay marriage as members of Labour, the Lib Dems or the SNP and significantly more supportive of the death penalty, obedience to authority and censorship of the media “to uphold moral standards”.

The findings by academics at Queen Mary University of London could spell trouble for the chances of a more socially liberal candidate such as Ruth Davidson succeeding Theresa May as Tory leader, given that the final choice is made in a vote of party members.

The study also shows that almost five years after David Cameron sought to move the party towards a more socially inclusive position by pushing through the gay marriage law, Tory members – 44% of whom are 65 or older – remain resistant.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...es-study-finds

[bots]

and if a study was done on the labour party and its members it would also represent a demographic with a high percentage of views in favour of some aspect or another.

So what?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

and if a study was done on the labour party and its members it would also represent a demographic with a high percentage of views in favour of some aspect or another.

So what?

Thanks for your input professor BOTS

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

and if a study was done on the labour party and its members it would also represent a demographic with a high percentage of views in favour of some aspect or another.

So what?

Labour was obviously part of the study, otherwise they wouldn't be able to compare the differing opinions.

[Crimson Dynamo]

and as the ruling party in the UK(England) it shows they are bang on with what they represent in England. It illustrates what England is and wants

no sh1t sherlock

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and as the ruling party in the UK(England) it shows they are bang on with what they represent in England. It illustrates what England is and wants

Most of England (especially the South), yes. Though it is sort of worrying that they keep being voted in.

Though I can't help but feel like the news here is, "Study Finds That Conservatives Are Conservative!"...

Its like another article I read today about Boris using terms like "Hot Totty" and "Bumboys" in his articles like this is news. "WHAT?? Boris Johnson is a soggy biscuit Tory toff?? This is brand new information!"

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Most of England (especially the South), yes. Though it is sort of worrying that they keep being voted in.

Though I can't help but feel like the news here is, "Study Finds That Conservatives Are Conservative!"...

Its like another article I read today about Boris using terms like "Hot Totty" and "Bumboys" in his articles like this is news. "WHAT?? Boris Johnson is a soggy biscuit Tory toff?? This is brand new information!"

Well yes, this is how it seems to me

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and as the ruling party in the UK(England) it shows they are bang on with what they represent in England. It illustrates what England is and wants

no sh1t sherlock

If most of the UK knew half of the **** that the Tories do they wouldn't be elected into office right now.

The Media is the Tories biggest ally and they twist things into a morality argument for their favourite party when really all the Tories want to do is persecute anyone that the party has to pay money out to (people on benefits, disabled people, and the working class in general) yet the media will try to twist it that it's the EU's fault for why the Tories are either incompetent or just simply horrible to people, and if it's not them then it is Muslims, people on benefits, or liberals being too PC stopping them from being able to do what they really want to do.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

If most of the UK knew half of the **** that the Tories do they wouldn't be elected into office right now.

The Media is the Tories biggest ally and they twist things into a morality argument for their favourite party when really all the Tories want to do is persecute anyone that the party has to pay money out to (people on benefits, disabled people, and the working class in general) yet the media will try to twist it that it's the EU's fault for why the Tories are either incompetent or just simply horrible to people, and if it's not them then it is Muslims, people on benefits, or liberals being too PC stopping them from being able to do what they really want to do.

I thought blair had a tighter grip on the media.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I thought blair had a tighter grip on the media.

You mean the man who stole the clothes off John Major and the man who kept vast swathes of Margaret Thatcher’s neoliberal ideologies and stole the full backing of The Sun?

He didn’t undo Thatcher’s employment reforms or stop the deregulation of the financial sector which inevitably permitted banks to move towards sub-prime mortgages. Everything Thatcher had privatized remained privatized.
House prices carried on growing towards unaffordable levels whilst council house buildings remained remained at an all time low. Blair didn't curb the power of the free market beyond that of the state, He encouraged it just like the Tories before him.

Tony Blair was more right wing than John Major before him and that's why Right wing papers abandoned the Conservatives and allowed Blair a tight grip on the media.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

You mean the man who stole the clothes off John Major and the man who kept vast swathes of Margaret Thatcher’s neoliberal ideologies and stole the full backing of The Sun?

He didn’t undo Thatcher’s employment reforms or stop the deregulation of the financial sector which inevitably permitted banks to move towards sub-prime mortgages. Everything Thatcher had privatized remained privatized.
House prices carried on growing towards unaffordable levels whilst council house buildings remained remained at an all time low. Blair didn't curb the power of the free market beyond that of the state, He encouraged it just like the Tories before him.

Tony Blair was more right wing than John Major before him and that's why Right wing papers abandoned the Conservatives and allowed Blair a tight grip on the media.

So right wing he is desperate to overturn the referendum result and get a second vote. Like many remainers he wants his own way - left or right.

[thesheriff443]

Labour will get a chance like they have in the past to screw up this country but for now it's the conservatives turn to screw up the country.

[DemolitionRed]

This was an interesting article by Nigel Barber Ph.D.

Peering inside the brain with MRI scans, researchers at University College London found that self-described conservative students had a larger amygdala than liberals. The amygdala is an almond-shaped structure deep in the brain that is active during states of fear and anxiety. Liberals had more gray matter at least in the anterior cingulate cortex, a region of the brain that helps people cope with complexity. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...in-study-finds

[user104658]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

This was an interesting article by Nigel Barber Ph.D.

Peering inside the brain with MRI scans, researchers at University College London found that self-described conservative students had a larger amygdala than liberals. The amygdala is an almond-shaped structure deep in the brain that is active during states of fear and anxiety. Liberals had more gray matter at least in the anterior cingulate cortex, a region of the brain that helps people cope with complexity. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...in-study-finds

To be fair it's more basic than that and the language used here (fear and anxiety vs complexity) is a little pointed.

The amygdala is responsible for instant / instinctual emotional response (fear, yes, but the other instant surface reactions too both positive and negative) and also instant motivation (action without consideration).

The ACC plays a role in higher cognitive function and emotional consideration (logic, reason, consideration and in theory empathy, as empathy is an abstract emotional response rather than one driven by instinct.)

So it's more a logic vs instinct thing here. It's not always about "fear", that's a huge oversimplification of the function of the amygdala.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To be fair it's more basic than that and the language used here (fear and anxiety vs complexity) is a little pointed.

The amygdala is responsible for instant / instinctual emotional response (fear, yes, but the other instant surface reactions too both positive and negative) and also instant motivation (action without consideration).

The ACC plays a role in higher cognitive function and emotional consideration (logic, reason, consideration and in theory empathy, as empathy is an abstract emotional response rather than one driven by instinct.)

So it's more a logic vs instinct thing here. It's not always about "fear", that's a huge oversimplification of the function of the amygdala.

So the explanation as taken from the academic in the article wasn't good enough?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To be fair it's more basic than that and the language used here (fear and anxiety vs complexity) is a little pointed.

The amygdala is responsible for instant / instinctual emotional response (fear, yes, but the other instant surface reactions too both positive and negative) and also instant motivation (action without consideration).

The ACC plays a role in higher cognitive function and emotional consideration (logic, reason, consideration and in theory empathy, as empathy is an abstract emotional response rather than one driven by instinct.)

So it's more a logic vs instinct thing here. It's not always about "fear", that's a huge oversimplification of the function of the amygdala.

I agree a lot more with this. It is indeed a huge convenient oversimplification to fit with one’s own opinions. In other words pretentious, manipulative opinon-based rhetoric.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

This was an interesting article by Nigel Barber Ph.D.

Peering inside the brain with MRI scans, researchers at University College London found that self-described conservative students had a larger amygdala than liberals. The amygdala is an almond-shaped structure deep in the brain that is active during states of fear and anxiety. Liberals had more gray matter at least in the anterior cingulate cortex, a region of the brain that helps people cope with complexity. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...in-study-finds

So the liberals have more grey cells and therefore higher IQs - of course they do. Don’t psychologists tend to lean to the left so no bias there then. Too many variants and people with opinions reading what they will into the ‘results’.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

So the liberals have more grey cells and therefore higher IQs - of course they do. Don’t psychologists tend to lean to the left so no bias there then. Too many variants and people with opinions reading what they will into the ‘results’.

Liberals had more gray matter at least in the anterior cingulate cortex, a region of the brain that helps people cope with complexity.

What don't you understand about that?

And you think Neural Scientists probably make this up according to their political leaning

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Liberals had more gray matter at least in the anterior cingulate cortex, a region of the brain that helps people cope with complexity.

What don't you understand about that?

And you think Neural Scientists probably make this up according to their political leaning

Psychology is not a proper science, not in the same way as physics, maths or chemistry with cast iron facts.

It is largely based on observation and interpretation and can’t be considered a science when confirmation bias remains rampant in the field. What part of that do you not understand.

The scans were real but the rest was based on interpretation.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Psychology is not a proper science, not in the same way as physics, maths or chemistry with cast iron facts.

It is largely based on observation and interpretation and can’t be considered a science when confirmation bias remains rampant in the field. What part of that do you not understand.

The scans were real but the rest was based on interpretation.

Social and abnormal psychology are not exact sciences but neuropsychology is a science in pretty much the same way as the core sciences (physics, biology chemistry)... which, by the way, are also based on hypothesis / observation / interpretation so...

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Psychology is not a proper science, not in the same way as physics, maths or chemistry with cast iron facts.

It is largely based on observation and interpretation and can’t be considered a science when confirmation bias remains rampant in the field. What part of that do you not understand.

The scans were real but the rest was based on interpretation.

I'm sorry but you can't go oooh its not a proper science! Are you also saying there's no real science in metallurgy or fracture mechanics or fluid dynamics or pure mathematics?

All science is based on observation and then proposing a mechanism.

[Livia]

Ahhh polls and statistics. In the Guardian!

And in other shock news, a "study" had decided that 98% of people is nearly all of them!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Ahhh polls and statistics. In the Guardian!

And in other shock news, a "study" had decided that 98% of people is nearly all of them!

No more of a shock than you mocking rather than having a rational reasoned comment to make.

[smudgie]

Very interesting.
One assumes then that the brain alters as you age, hence people changing their political views over the years.

[Beso]

Thier views will be down to a good church upbringing.