[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and as the ruling party in the UK(England) it shows they are bang on with what they represent in England. It illustrates what England is and wants

no sh1t sherlock

If most of the UK knew half of the **** that the Tories do they wouldn't be elected into office right now.

The Media is the Tories biggest ally and they twist things into a morality argument for their favourite party when really all the Tories want to do is persecute anyone that the party has to pay money out to (people on benefits, disabled people, and the working class in general) yet the media will try to twist it that it's the EU's fault for why the Tories are either incompetent or just simply horrible to people, and if it's not them then it is Muslims, people on benefits, or liberals being too PC stopping them from being able to do what they really want to do.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

If most of the UK knew half of the **** that the Tories do they wouldn't be elected into office right now.

The Media is the Tories biggest ally and they twist things into a morality argument for their favourite party when really all the Tories want to do is persecute anyone that the party has to pay money out to (people on benefits, disabled people, and the working class in general) yet the media will try to twist it that it's the EU's fault for why the Tories are either incompetent or just simply horrible to people, and if it's not them then it is Muslims, people on benefits, or liberals being too PC stopping them from being able to do what they really want to do.

I thought blair had a tighter grip on the media.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I thought blair had a tighter grip on the media.

You mean the man who stole the clothes off John Major and the man who kept vast swathes of Margaret Thatcher’s neoliberal ideologies and stole the full backing of The Sun?

He didn’t undo Thatcher’s employment reforms or stop the deregulation of the financial sector which inevitably permitted banks to move towards sub-prime mortgages. Everything Thatcher had privatized remained privatized.
House prices carried on growing towards unaffordable levels whilst council house buildings remained remained at an all time low. Blair didn't curb the power of the free market beyond that of the state, He encouraged it just like the Tories before him.

Tony Blair was more right wing than John Major before him and that's why Right wing papers abandoned the Conservatives and allowed Blair a tight grip on the media.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

You mean the man who stole the clothes off John Major and the man who kept vast swathes of Margaret Thatcher’s neoliberal ideologies and stole the full backing of The Sun?

He didn’t undo Thatcher’s employment reforms or stop the deregulation of the financial sector which inevitably permitted banks to move towards sub-prime mortgages. Everything Thatcher had privatized remained privatized.
House prices carried on growing towards unaffordable levels whilst council house buildings remained remained at an all time low. Blair didn't curb the power of the free market beyond that of the state, He encouraged it just like the Tories before him.

Tony Blair was more right wing than John Major before him and that's why Right wing papers abandoned the Conservatives and allowed Blair a tight grip on the media.

So right wing he is desperate to overturn the referendum result and get a second vote. Like many remainers he wants his own way - left or right.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

So right wing he is desperate to overturn the referendum result and get a second vote. Like many remainers he wants his own way - left or right.

Are you suggesting that only people who are "left wing" want to stay in the EU?... Do you actually know what any of these terms mean, or are under the impression that they're some sort of "team names"? "Team Right likes Brexit! Team Left is remoaners and such!"

A lot of right-wing heavy hitters stand to lose a lot from exiting the EU. Cameron was pro EU. George Osbourne was pro EU. Theresa May was pro EU.

Are they all "lefties", too?


Sigh. Tony Blair was / is a bona-fide right-of-center neoliberal. It's not a debate he just.. is. Those are his politics. You can't go stamping your feet and insisting he's actually "not right wing" because you don't like him / Labour and have decided in your head that "Right Wing = The Good Guys so he can't be right wing".

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Are you suggesting that only people who are "left wing" want to stay in the EU?... Do you actually know what any of these terms mean, or are under the impression that they're some sort of "team names"? "Team Right likes Brexit! Team Left is remoaners and such!"

A lot of right-wing heavy hitters stand to lose a lot from exiting the EU. Cameron was pro EU. George Osbourne was pro EU. Theresa May was pro EU.

Are they all "lefties", too?


Sigh. Tony Blair was / is a bona-fide right-of-center neoliberal. It's not a debate he just.. is. Those are his politics. You can't go stamping your feet and insisting he's actually "not right wing" because you don't like him / Labour and have decided in your head that "Right Wing = The Good Guys so he can't be right wing".

No - but the majority of leavers are probably more Tory than Labour, especially with Corbyn quick to change his supposedly long-held anti-EU views to suit especially when the title of PM is the potential reward. Besides if you listen to many of the hardline lefties on here the Brexiteers are ALL freedom hating Tories.