[Kazanne]

I found this video interesting of Christopher Biggins views on marriage,very much like Anns so not all gay people agree with Shane J,they have the decency to appreciate we don't all want the same things,it looks like he has the same views as Amanda and Wayne.

Youtube video

[Cherie]

Well he is entitled to his opinion and it seems to me many of the older generation of gays are much more tolerant of others views, which is an interesting turnaround in these days of open mindedness

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Well he is entitled to his opinion and it seems to me many of the older generation of gays are much more tolerant of others views, which is an interesting turnaround in these days of open mindedness

That's struck me too. Older gay people have had to endure all kinds of crap in the past, and yet here they are, enjoying the integration and the freedoms they have, and that they are entitled to, and not spending time wallowing in the drama of "calling people out". And yet if someone was actually homophobic, they'd be the first to stand up, for themselves, or for other people.

[waterhog]

very old school and not understanding things change.

allot of things we used to do in the past we now look back with shame.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by waterhog

very old school and not understanding things change.

allot of things we used to do in the past we now look back with shame.

is he not entitled to be old school? must everyone be singing from the same hymnsheet?

[luvjustin]

Originally Posted by Cherie

is he not entitled to be old school? must everyone be singing from the same hymnsheet?

No he ****ing isn’t. Sometimes people need to be shouted down when their backwards opinions are this damaging.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by luvjustin

No he ****ing isn’t. Sometimes people need to be soured down when their backwards opinions are this damaging.

Calm down,blimey

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by luvjustin

No he ****ing isn’t. Sometimes people need to be soured down when their backwards opinions are this damaging.

yay let's swop one oppressive attitude for another, is this your progress?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Cherie

yay let's swop one oppressive attitude for another, is this your progress?

They don't do their cause any favours do they, just so aggressive

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by luvjustin

No he ****ing isn’t. Sometimes people need to be shouted down when their backwards opinions are this damaging.

It's aggressive attacks like that that earn you no respect...everyone has different beliefs and opinions...live and let live.

[luvjustin]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

It's aggressive attacks like that that earn you no respect...everyone has different beliefs and opinions...live and let live.

No.

I do not agree.

Live and let live changes nothing. Gets **** all done.

The world is not changed by sitting back and letting everything think their backwards opinions are valid.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

It's aggressive attacks like that that earn you no respect...everyone has different beliefs and opinions...live and let live.

Tbf if people lived by this notion then there wouldn’t be a need for people fighting for basic human rights in the first place.

Having said that, Ann’s opinion is her own and I agree that people should (to an extent) be entitled to their own viewpoints

[Niamh.]

It does seem to be a generational thing mostly

[luvjustin]

Prime example of that generation of self loathing, aplogitic gay person.

They are so desperate to be liked that they’ll align themselves with people who despise them deep down.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by luvjustin

Prime example of that generation of self loathing, aplogitic gay person.

They are so desperate to be liked that they’ll align themselves with people who despise them deep down.

You just sound a bit paranoid to me.

[luvjustin]

Originally Posted by Alf

You just sound a bit paranoid to me.

The woman is down on official record voting against the rights of gay people.

It can’t be any clearer than that.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by luvjustin

The woman is down on official record voting against the rights of gay people.

It can’t be any clearer than that.

That was years ago,she is retired ,she was not the only one to vote against it and she did explain her reason for doing so,but this is 2018 and a game show,none of the others have been judged on their past,so why her?

[luvjustin]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

That was years ago,she is retired ,she was not the only one to vote against it and she did explain her reason for doing so,but this is 2018 and a game show,none of the others have been judged on their past,so why her?

She still holds those views. She still stands by those opinions.

And her reasoning was BS.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by luvjustin

The woman is down on official record voting against the rights of gay people.

It can’t be any clearer than that.

and what did shanes parents vote for in Australia 20 years ago?

[Ammi]

...’we can’t just throw away everything, we have to hold on to some things’ is just his own perspective of Christopher Biggins being perfectly happy in his civil partnership, he doesn’t personally feel the need for marriage...which I think is the difference in a ‘how I’m affected personally in my life’ and ‘the affect on a collective community’, which is more how Shane J is in his views...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by luvjustin

Prime example of that generation of self loathing, aplogitic gay person.

They are so desperate to be liked that they’ll align themselves with people who despise them deep down.

wow what a horrible view of life

[Kazanne]

I think we should take Amandas advice,ditch the labels ,live and let live,no one gender needs to be better than the other, we are all entitalled to our own views,we don't HAVE to like anyone,lets just as I said live and let live,it's not hard to do,all people should be toleratant ,not just a selective few.

[luvjustin]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I think we should take Amandas advice,ditch the labels ,live and let live,no one gender needs to be better than the other, we are all entitalled to our own views,we don't HAVE to like anyone,lets just as I said live and let live,it's not hard to do,all people should be toleratant ,not just a selective few.

Ah this argument. Ok.

This is usually the response when people are trying to stand up for the rights of a minority. Why can’t we all just have our own views? Why can’t we all have rights? What about the white man? Please.

The same response people (usually white people) have towards the “black lives matter” movement. Or “me too”.

Fighting for the rights of a minority group is not about making them special. It is about amking them equal.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Well he is entitled to his opinion and it seems to me many of the older generation of gays are much more tolerant of others views, which is an interesting turnaround in these days of open mindedness

Older gay people are probably more used to being discriminated against because of their sexuality so it's not as unusual a thing to happen for them as it is for younger people, if there's a general difference between the generations I'd say it's because of that rather than a difference in open mindedness. And it's because of a lot of older gay people fighting for equality and taking a stand against the kind of views Ann has that caused change, which wouldn't have happened if everyone had Biggins stance.

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I think we should take Amandas advice,ditch the labels ,live and let live,no one gender needs to be better than the other, we are all entitalled to our own views,we don't HAVE to like anyone,lets just as I said live and let live,it's not hard to do,all people should be toleratant ,not just a selective few.

I see 'live and let live' as sort of being a reason for equal rights activism and fighting peoples intolerance, not being the antithesis to it, in that everyone should just be able to live their lives and allow others to without persecution or different treatment because of something like sexuality. I'd say it's Ann who doesn't believe in 'live and let live'.
(I also don't understand how being against intolerance is itself an act of intolerance.)

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Older gay people are probably more used to being discriminated against because of their sexuality so it's not as unusual a thing to happen for them as it is for younger people, if there's a general difference between the generations I'd say it's because of that rather than a difference in open mindedness. And it's because of a lot of older gay people fighting for equality and taking a stand against the kind of views Ann has that caused change, which wouldn't have happened if everyone had Biggins stance.



I see 'live and let live' as sort of being a reason for equal rights activism and fighting peoples intolerance, not being the antithesis to it, in that everyone should just be able to live their lives and allow others to without persecution or different treatment because of something like sexuality. I'd say it's Ann who doesn't believe in 'live and let live'.
(I also don't understand how being against intolerance is itself an act of intolerance.)

Ann said herself what two people do in private is entirely up to them,so I'de say that is 'live and let live'