[arista]

Just one of her measures
against Russia .


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https://news.sky.com/story/live-spy-...ponse-11289189
Russia warns of retaliation for diplomat expulsions

[hijaxers]

A stronger response than i thought there would be.

[arista]

Originally Posted by hijaxers

A stronger response than i thought there would be.

Yes but Russia will tit for tat
they have said they can match all attacks on them,

[jet]

Good. A strong response is appropriate because of the use of a nerve agent for the first time in the alliance since the foundation of NATO and is against international law. It endangered the lives of many innocent citizens and the security forces.
We can't show a bully and egomaniac like Putin any weakness.

[Livia]

I was gratified to see that NATO has backed us 100%. I wonder whether this will give May the impetus to invoke NATO's Article 5 on Collective Defence which states "‘the Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all’. It's only ever been used once before, by the USA after 9/11

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Livia

I was gratified to see that NATO has backed us 100%. I wonder whether this will give May the impetus to invoke NATO's Article 5 on Collective Defence which states "‘the Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all’. It's only ever been used once before, by the USA after 9/11

Both the US and French changed their tune pretty fast from their initial reactions to the suggestion it was Russia, I did wonder if she'd mentioned Article 5 on the phone.

[Tom4784]

A good move although it ultimately won't achieve anything as Russia will respond in kind and that will be that until diplomatic relations are quietly resumed a few months down the line once the story's blown over.

We're not really in a position to put any pressure on Russia.

[Oliver_W]

I think this situation will make her come into her own as PM. Her speech on Monday was brilliant, and showed great strength, and showed Corbyn's usual pointless mewlings as what they were, especially when he made a misjudged swipe at party donations.

[Livia]

I agree with that, Oliver. I've not been impressed with May generally... but she is showing strength in this. Corbyn's reaction has been predictable claiming that he doesn't believe it was the Russians and that MI5&6 may be wrong. Labour'a Welsh first minister, Carwyn Jones, tweeted his support for what May said. It gives me faith in Labour when I see a prominent Labour minister distancing himself from Corbyn.

[jet]

Yes, Corbyn showed he isn't up to dealing with vitally important defence issues with his wishy washy appeasement spiel and being the usual opportunist in trying to score cheap political points at a time when there should be an all - party unity.
Thank goodness he isn't PM. Putin would make mincemeat out of him.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by jet

Yes, Corbyn showed he isn't up to dealing with vitally important defence issues with his wishy washy appeasement spiel and being the usual opportunist in trying to score cheap political points at a time when there should be an all - party unity.
Thank goodness he isn't PM. Putin would make mincemeat out of him.

Yep he doesn’t fill me with confidence.I saw his response to the PM’s latest speech.He floats around the issue of Russia and tried scoring points again going on about cuts to diplomats or something.It didn’t go down well.

[Kizzy]

Only fools rush in.....Especially with Russ ia

[Underscore]

Credit where credit's due.

She's been absolutely amazing this week and has been the kind of strong PM (foreign policy wise) I want to see more of.

[Kizzy]

Imagine if this heavy handed approach creates a refugee crisis from the UK, and we are in boats to France and they push us back?....

#bestofBitishblackhumour

[AnnieK]

I think she has handled it well although it makes me nervous as Russia will not be intimidated and will just retaliate with like for like.

Think Mrs May was damned if she did and damned if she didn't this week....whatever she did would be condemned by some and celebrated by others

[Twosugars]

I'm glad Rudd announced an inquiry into the 14 suspicious deaths connected to Russia. It's too late but it is needed.
I hope May does more than expelling "diplomats", Russia has been taking the piss for long enough.

[MTVN]

Jeremy Corbyn's spokesman has said there is not yet definitive proof the Russian state was behind the attempted murder of a former spy in Salisbury.

He said the most likely explanation was Russia that was "directly or indirectly responsible" for the attack but "culpability takes many forms".

He pointed to the "problematic history" of UK intelligence on chemical weapons.

It came as several Labour MPs called for their leader to be firmer in his condemnation of Russia.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43405680

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Jeremy Corbyn's spokesman has said there is not yet definitive proof the Russian state was behind the attempted murder of a former spy in Salisbury.

Yup, so did Mrs May herself.

[Kizzy]

She's trying to protect the money tree is all...

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a8253786.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a8253446.html

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

She's trying to protect the money tree is all...

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a8253786.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a8253446.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ry-Russia.html

He is in the minority bigtime.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ry-Russia.html

He is in the minority bigtime.

So.... And Dacre is aiding his cash cow cover her tracks, no change there then :/

[Twosugars]

I agree with Corbyn that we should be going after dirty money from Russia. But I wish he stopped pussy-footing and be more convincing on Russia, nato and defence in general.

[user104658]

Honestly, I thought I had seen it all when it comes to the UK / political delusion, but apparently not. Now people seem to believe that the UK can actually "do something about" Russia.

Are you serious?

The UK can't "do anything to Russia" that amounts to more than shooting peas at an attack helicopter.

"Oh yes I know that the United States of America - the world's largest military and an economic superpower - hasn't been able to effectively tackle Russia's bull**** for the past half century or more... But hey... Theresa May's finally going to give them what for!"

[jet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Honestly, I thought I had seen it all when it comes to the UK / political delusion, but apparently not. Now people seem to believe that the UK can actually "do something about" Russia.

Are you serious?

The UK can't "do anything to Russia" that amounts to more than shooting peas at an attack helicopter.

"Oh yes I know that the United States of America - the world's largest military and an economic superpower - hasn't been able to effectively tackle Russia's bull**** for the past half century or more... But hey... Theresa May's finally going to give them what for!"

Who is saying this?
I haven't heard anything of that sort being said.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Honestly, I thought I had seen it all when it comes to the UK / political delusion, but apparently not. Now people seem to believe that the UK can actually "do something about" Russia.

Are you serious?

The UK can't "do anything to Russia" that amounts to more than shooting peas at an attack helicopter.

"Oh yes I know that the United States of America - the world's largest military and an economic superpower - hasn't been able to effectively tackle Russia's bull**** for the past half century or more... But hey... Theresa May's finally going to give them what for!"

you are incorrect re. the west not tackling russia - we won the cold war.

as for now, nobody is saying we should be starting another war!
but at the same time we cannot just ignore yet another incident like that
it's all about appropriate response.
some people in russia (putin etc) never gave up on russian empire and try to turn the clock back any way they can. they can't compete economically, so they do it by force (crimea, georgia, ukraine) or they resort to dirty tricks like trying to destabilise the west from the inside
we need to start reacting, not ignoring it coz it will make them even bolder