[Nicky91]

Putin had offered to help with the investigation


UK declines this, and just because they are ''confident'' they know Russia is to blame


sorry but a russian ex spy was poisoned with his daughter, the UK people weren't attacked themselves, if Putin says he knows nothing about this poisoning incident, i believe him


and i thought UK wanted to leave the EU, and yet they run to the EU like weak pathetic sheep, where's your ''brexit'' independence now


and now Australia kicks out russian diplomats, UGH it is true about that saying, all sheep follow each other when 1 jumps over the pond


i am so happy not being a sheep, and siding with Putin on this, i believe in the term innocent until proven guilty


i am not against UK but i am against dumb decisions

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

Putin had offered to help with the investigation


UK declines this, and just because they are ''confident'' they know Russia is to blame


sorry but a russian ex spy was poisoned with his daughter, the UK people weren't attacked themselves, if Putin says he knows nothing about this poisoning incident, i believe him


and i thought UK wanted to leave the EU, and yet they run to the EU like weak pathetic sheep, where's your ''brexit'' independence now


and now Australia kicks out russian diplomats, UGH it is true about that saying, all sheep follow each other when 1 jumps over the pond


i am so happy not being a sheep, and siding with Putin on this, i believe in the term innocent until proven guilty


i am not against UK but i am against dumb decisions

Sorry Nicki but other people WERE affected ,such as the policeman,plus all the others in the area who were near are now living in uncertainty of whether they could be affected in the future,just because we have not heard definate proof does not mean there isn't any, they must be pretty sure, we know you think Putin is 'hot' but don't let that cloud your judgement.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Sorry Nicki but other people WERE affected ,such as the policeman,plus all the others in the area who were near are now living in uncertainty of whether they could be affected in the future,just because we have not heard definate proof does not mean there isn't any, they must be pretty sure, we know you think Putin is 'hot' but don't let that cloud your judgement.

Putin said he wants to cooperate with the investigation, UK and other countries can't just simply banish all russian diplomats


it are probably russian separatists, same who also shotdown MH17


they are not officially part of the government, so they are a disgrace for Russia i think as well


not all russians are evil but these separatists were protecting ukrainian rebels at Crimea, remember


and Putin is right if it truly was a official military strike then the ex spy would've been immediately killed, this is more the work of a terror group not military


or at least that are my thoughts

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

Putin said he wants to cooperate with the investigation, UK and other countries can't just simply banish all russian diplomats


it are probably russian separatists, same who also shotdown MH17


they are not officially part of the government, so they are a disgrace for Russia i think as well


not all russians are evil but these separatists were protecting ukrainian rebels at Crimea, remember


and Putin is right if it truly was a official military strike then the ex spy would've been immediately killed, this is more the work of a terror group not military


or at least that are my thoughts

And Putin cant go round just poisoning people either Nicki,and no one has said ALL Russians are evil.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

And Putin cant go round just poisoning people either Nicki,and no one has said ALL Russians are evil.

he didn't


i said russian separatists, they have nothing to do with Putin and his government

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

he didn't


i said russian separatists, they have nothing to do with Putin and his government

You have no proof of that either

[bots]

Nicky,

Your own Netherlands also ejected Russian diplomats, perhaps you should ask your government why they did it?

[user104658]

There's certainly more to it all than meets the eye Nicky (as there always is), but I don't think it's as clear cut as you're making out, and I don't think we can quite apply the term "innocent" to Putin... whether he ordered this or not .

I personally do agree that the response has been kneejerk though, and I find myself wondering why. The reasoning is "action had to be taken!!"... but that doesn't mean that action had to be taken instantly, the whole thing should have been handled at a slower pace, until "probably"s became "almost definitely"s.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

There's certainly more to it all than meets the eye Nicky (as there always is), but I don't think it's as clear cut as you're making out, and I don't think we can quite apply the term "innocent" to Putin... whether he ordered this or not .

I personally do agree that the response has been kneejerk though, and I find myself wondering why. The reasoning is "action had to be taken!!"... but that doesn't mean that action had to be taken instantly, the whole thing should have been handled at a slower pace, until "probably"s became "almost definitely"s.

This is my position too.All anyone said was that “it was more than likely Russia”.Which i also happen to believe.
However,The response was extremely quick.I thought maybe some more investigating might’ve gone on first.
Maybe the government had some evidence from the secret services that they didn’t make public.
Or maybe the PM just thought it’d get more confidence from the public to react straight away I don’t know.
I think she’s done well in the response and got the support of our allies but it was very rushed and i really do hope there’s strong evidence.

[Nicky91]

sorry but i feel sad for Russia, i know i am alone at this but i am not a sheep

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

sorry but i feel sad for Russia, i know i am alone at this but i am not a sheep

I would say the main reason to feel sad for Russia is that their politics has become a sham... but then, hasn't all politics

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I would say the main reason to feel sad for Russia is that their politics has become a sham... but then, hasn't all politics

Trump made America pathetic i know, but at least he has the courage to congratulate Putin on his victory at the elections


others are just immediately thinking of Russia as evil

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

Trump made America pathetic i know, but at least he has the courage to congratulate Putin on his victory at the elections


others are just immediately thinking of Russia as evil

And trump expelled more Russian diplomats than any other country I have seen no one say Russia is evil

[jet]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...attack-says-pm


More than 130 people could have been exposed to the deadly nerve agent novichok during the Russian spy attack in Salisbury, Theresa May said on Monday.

The prime minister told MPs that hundreds of British citizens had been put in danger by the “utterly barbaric” act which left Sergei Skripal, a former Russian intelligence official, and his daughter Yulia in a coma.

May said that no country other than Russia had the combination of “the capability, the intent and the motive” to carry out such an attack.

“Sergei and Yulia Skripal remain critically ill in hospital. Sadly, late last week, doctors indicated that their condition is unlikely to change in the near future, and they may never recover fully,” she said.

“This shows the utterly barbaric nature of this act, and the dangers that hundreds of innocent citizens in Salisbury could have faced.”

She added: “We assess that more than 130 people in Salisbury could have been potentially exposed to this nerve agent.”

May pledged the UK, together with its EU and Nato allies, would “face down” the Russian threat and defend its infrastructure, institutions and values. “We will act to protect our national security and to keep our people safe.”

More than 50 people have been assessed in hospital, including DS Nick Bailey, who was discharged last week saying his life would probably never be the same after being exposed.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by jet

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...attack-says-pm


More than 130 people could have been exposed to the deadly nerve agent novichok during the Russian spy attack in Salisbury, Theresa May said on Monday.

The prime minister told MPs that hundreds of British citizens had been put in danger by the “utterly barbaric” act which left Sergei Skripal, a former Russian intelligence official, and his daughter Yulia in a coma.

May said that no country other than Russia had the combination of “the capability, the intent and the motive” to carry out such an attack.

“Sergei and Yulia Skripal remain critically ill in hospital. Sadly, late last week, doctors indicated that their condition is unlikely to change in the near future, and they may never recover fully,” she said.

“This shows the utterly barbaric nature of this act, and the dangers that hundreds of innocent citizens in Salisbury could have faced.”

She added: “We assess that more than 130 people in Salisbury could have been potentially exposed to this nerve agent.”

May pledged the UK, together with its EU and Nato allies, would “face down” the Russian threat and defend its infrastructure, institutions and values. “We will act to protect our national security and to keep our people safe.”

More than 50 people have been assessed in hospital, including DS Nick Bailey, who was discharged last week saying his life would probably never be the same after being exposed.

blah blah blah, and all the while Russia destroys ISIS for us cause UK and other european countries are too damn weak

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

Trump made America pathetic i know, but at least he has the courage to congratulate Putin on his victory at the elections


others are just immediately thinking of Russia as evil

Russian democracy is a sham, though, even moreso than in the West... he doesn't have any realistic political opponents and if one starts to rise they're quickly taken out of the equation. I believe one such potential opponent "mysteriously died"... the other one that I know more about was convicted (probably falsely) of minor fraud. Not even of a serious crime; he is a free man in Russia and an anti-Putin campaigner, but "coincidentally"... if you're convicted of any type of fraud in Russia, you become ineligible to be elected to political office. They've figured out that you don't even need to use violence to eliminate your political opponents... a stroke of a pen will do the trick.

[montblanc]

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

sorry but i feel sad for Russia, i know i am alone at this but i am not a sheep

I feel sorry for the people of Salisbury tbh.https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...cid=spartandhp

[AnnieK]

There's one thing for sure and that's Putin would be mortified to think people feel sorry for Russia. They are to be feared, not pitied in their minds.

People of the UK could be affected by this and the worrying thing is it could be years down the line that any effects of the nerve agent could present. Thats a long time for people who possibly came into contact with the substance to worry about every cough, sneeze and sniffle.

I do think a measured approach would have been wiser but what's done is done I guess. We are still members of the EU until 2019 so only right that we consulted with them.

[AnnieK]

I'm out of this thread now. Sorry Nicky, but you have really gone down in my estimations now. You are more than entitled to your views and.opinions but laughing and pouring scorn on what has happened is not big or clever in my eyes I'm afraid

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I'm out of this thread now. Sorry Nicky, but you have really gone down in my estimations now. You are more than entitled to your views and.opinions but laughing and pouring scorn on what has happened is not big or clever in my eyes I'm afraid

Yes Annie ,same here,I am really disappointed too

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Yes Annie ,same here,I am really disappointed too

Yes, following suit.

[jaxie]

Were I you Nicky I'd stop typing rubbish just now, go out, enjoy the day because of you keep this up I don't think you will have very many friends left on this forum,

[Niamh.]

Bloody hell Nicky :/ You're opinions on this are really questionable

[TwentyOneThrones]

Nicky is cancelled