[UserSince2005]

Just watching the news over the past weeks and I hear so many opinions of people from both sides

Labour voters are always so negative about their sorry financial state, their bad health, the services in their town not having enough money spent on it, how they need more support and just generally how hard their lives are.

Tory voters talk about the future and the hopes for the success of the country.

Why is this?

[The Slim Reaper]

One side is trying to tell you what problems exist, the other side doesn't want you to notice what they've done for the last 10 years.

[UserSince2005]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

One side is trying to tell you what problems exist, the other side doesn't want you to notice what they've done for the last 10 years.

Maybe thats it. to be fair. I just think if Labour had been more positives and not harp on about all the negatives of life then they might have done better.

There was no clear future plan with labours campaign

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

Maybe thats it. to be fair. I just think if Labour had been more positives and not harp on about all the negatives of life then they might have done better.

There was no clear future plan with labours campaign

I think labour ran a pretty positive campaign on the things they wanted to implement, you don't set yourself apart from your opponents without pointing out what they've destroyed in a decade.

Corbyn - "I want to thank the amazing tory government for all the new food banks we have now"

Better?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

Maybe thats it. to be fair. I just think if Labour had been more positives and not harp on about all the negatives of life then they might have done better.

There was no clear future plan with labours campaign

So you prefer fairytales to reality.

Ignorance is bliss.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

One side is trying to tell you what problems exist, the other side doesn't want you to notice what they've done for the last 10 years.

No Slim , one side wants something for nothing all the time and the other side are happy to work for what they want.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

No Slim , one side wants something for nothing all the time and the other side are happy to work for what they want.

Ah, the good old ‘labour voters are scroungers’ rehtoric, horrific

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

No Slim , one side wants something for nothing all the time and the other side are happy to work for what they want.

...many, many people work extremely hard for their whole life, Kaz...and still don’t earn enough on their salaries to be able to have ‘what they want’....

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

No Slim , one side wants something for nothing all the time and the other side are happy to work for what they want.

are you referring to the rich who manipulate markets to earn money for nothing and the hard working people who collect their pay checks every week?


There was nothing inherently wrong with things that labour were proposing. However it didn't come over as credible for so many reasons. It was a mess of giveaways with no strategic plan behind it other than things being for the many not the few which is such a disingenuous, meaningless phrase.

Look at the soviet union, things were for the many, not the few there, but always, always, always that's not how it ends up. There are always elites, it's human nature. Government is elites, so as soon as Corbyn became PM, he would have been an elite and leader of the few

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

No Slim , one side wants something for nothing all the time and the other side are happy to work for what they want.

This comes down to how spitefully we look down our noses at those with less than us I guess. It's purely ideological though because it's backed up my nothing resembling reality.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

No Slim , one side wants something for nothing all the time and the other side are happy to work for what they want.

This is the reason progressive politics fail. This attitude. God forbid you or yours ever need help.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

This is the reason progressive politics fail. This attitude. God forbid you or yours ever need help.

Oh we've been rock bottom and we got out of it by working hard,no one is saying the poor shouldn't get help ,of course they should,but many people are not poor they are just lazy.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Oh we've been rock bottom and we got out of it by working hard,no one is saying the poor shouldn't get help ,of course they should,but many people are not poor they are just lazy.

The people who are lazy and scrounge from the government are in the minority, yet people use them as an excuse to demonise everyone that needs help, it’s appalling

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

One side is trying to tell you what problems exist, the other side doesn't want you to notice what they've done for the last 10 years.

The crazy thing is nothing ‘really’ changes ... we’ve had horrendous times under every government since the sixties ...


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[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Zizu

The crazy thing is nothing ‘really’ changes ... we’ve had horrendous times under every government since the sixties ...


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So you're in the latter camp then, not interested in fixing what's wrong but only interested in keeping the broken wheel spinning.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

So you're in the latter camp then, not interested in fixing what's wrong but only interested in keeping the broken wheel spinning.

Nothing will ever change when there’s politicians running the show ...

I’ve said for ages that we should get he brightest , cleverest people running things alongside the best business minds ..

Get highly qualified accountants in charge of the finances for starters...


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[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Nothing will ever change when there’s politicians running the show ...

I’ve said for ages that we should get he brightest , cleverest people running things alongside the best business minds ..

Get highly qualified accountants in charge of the finances for starters...


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They'd just become the politicians. Power corrupts.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Nothing will ever change when there’s politicians running the show ...

I’ve said for ages that we should get he brightest , cleverest people running things alongside the best business minds ..

Get highly qualified accountants in charge of the finances for starters...


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That's quite silly and it's a very nothing stance to take.

'All politicians are bad but that won't stop me from voting for the ones who will particularly **** me over!'

Running a country takes politics, you need politicians to get anywhere otherwise you end up with Trumps all over the place.

[Crimson Dynamo]

labour ran such a bad campaign that a lot of their voters voted conservative

now if that isnt damning enough, well it is

[GoldHeart]

Jeremy Corbyn tried his best , he had the worst hate campaign against him and he still tried to stay positive.

The strong labour policies were there , but Brexit crap dominated things.

On the news people sound MAD confused ,they're moaning about things being privatised and working class communities not being helped yet they still VOTED for Johnson .

This is like twilight zone!

[arista]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Jeremy Corbyn tried his best , he had the worst hate campaign against him and he still tried to stay positive.

The strong labour policies were there , but Brexit crap dominated things.

On the news people sound MAD confused ,they're moaning about things being privatised and working class communities not being helped yet they still VOTED for Johnson .

This is like twilight zone!

He went too Hard at it.
Avoiding the real public
only selecting Labour Voters.
Pathetic

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by arista

He went too Hard at it.
Avoiding the real public
only selecting Labour Voters.
Pathetic

That's not true

[Marsh.]

Are you basically asking why people who are being sh*t on left right and centre WHY they're being negative about it?

Good grief.

[Oliver_W]

This year's election was similar to the Trump v Hillary, in that someone who would normally be laughed off stage looked credible thanks to their awful opponents.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

This year's election was similar to the Trump v Hillary, in that someone who would normally be laughed off stage looked credible thanks to their awful opponents.

Nothing makes Boris appear credible.